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prp
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The Proposed Decorum
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Jan 25 21:36 UTC 2000 |
Ideally I would start with extracts from item 152, but I'm stuck using
MS Telnet, so I won't try anything fancy.
In any case this item is designed to take over discussion of the
proposed Decorum conference.
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cmcgee
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response 1 of 120:
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Jan 25 23:05 UTC 2000 |
See my entry earlier. The Intro Conference was designed to help newcomers
learn about conferencing; shield them from the "too massive" Agora problem;
link interesting items so they would be intrigued enough to visit other
conferences; keep them from getting lost in dead conferences.
It might be instructive to answer two questions: Why did Intro die? How will
this be any different?
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orinoco
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response 2 of 120:
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Jan 26 02:29 UTC 2000 |
(And actually, I hope those don't get treated as rhetorical questions....I
didn't pay much attention to intro, but it sounded like a good idea at the
time, and I'd like to hear "what went wrong" from someone who was paying
attention.)
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don
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response 3 of 120:
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Jan 26 02:43 UTC 2000 |
It looked like it suffered the fate of most other conferences here;
centralization around agora. I think someone even mentioned it somewhere in
agora.
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don
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response 4 of 120:
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Jan 26 02:43 UTC 2000 |
(err, someone mentioned it in intro)
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flem
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response 5 of 120:
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Jan 26 20:04 UTC 2000 |
I'm still a bit confused as to the point of the proposed Decorum conf.
Is it to have a smaller, "moderated" version of Agora? If so, see
comments about Intro. Is it to have a conf where people are polite and
don't use dirty words? If so, what for?
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prp
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response 6 of 120:
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Jan 26 21:26 UTC 2000 |
Re 5 (flem): "If so, what for?" If you have to ask, you wouldn't
understand the answer.
re intro: It's not dead. There were 21 items with responses in
1999, 15 in the last three quarters, 13 in the last half, and
6 in the last quarter. I could never figure out why there are
both Intro and Info. Maybe they should be merged and restarted.
In any case I don't see Decorum as just for new users. Some people
hate rules of order; others love them for the rules. With luck
Decorum would appeal to neither of those groups, but rather to
those who like rules of order for the order. This group is
undoubtedly a minority on Grex, but they do exist here.
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aruba
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response 7 of 120:
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Jan 26 21:29 UTC 2000 |
Huh? I'm sorry, I don't get it. I haven't kept up with the item where this
idea was first proposed. Since this is the "official" proposal item, could
someone summarize what's going on?
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flem
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response 8 of 120:
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Jan 26 21:40 UTC 2000 |
re resp:6 - If I wouldn't understand the answer, perhaps that reveals
more about the answer than about me.
As for rules and order... Well, perhaps
http://www.theonion.com/onion3547/roberts_rules_of_order.html
says it better than I can.
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prp
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response 9 of 120:
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Jan 26 21:43 UTC 2000 |
See 152/25-26,34-36,40-45 and to a lesser extent 12,19,33.
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prp
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response 10 of 120:
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Jan 26 21:45 UTC 2000 |
9 is for 7 (aruba).
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don
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response 11 of 120:
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Jan 26 22:30 UTC 2000 |
That Onion article was ridiculous and just plain uninformed. Motioning to open
the window would have required a point of personal privilege, not a motion
to suspend the buisiness! And even if that motion was in order, it would have
had to come after the presiding officer had decided to yield to the
discression of the body the question of the point of personal privilege.
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scott
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response 12 of 120:
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Jan 27 02:05 UTC 2000 |
For those who don't feel up to excavating the Intro conference, here's a
capsule history:
1. Robh proposes and starts the Intro conference. Goal: Avoid excess of
Agora, provide neat items from other conferences.
2. Robh does a great job FWing conferencing, finding many neat items in even
the most obscure conferences to link to Intro.
3. Here I'm a bit lost in memory. Was Intro actually the default new user
conference fora while? I think so.
4. Anonymous Web reading of conferences issue hits the fan. Robh decides
he doesn't want this, pulls out of any leadership roles on Grex.
5. Intro conference dies because of robh's absence.
Kind of sad, but a good commentary on depending on any one user to maintain
an "ideal" conference. The Intro conference was very cool, but it obviously
took some work to maintain. Grex being what it is, the person who did that
work wasn't obligated to stick around, and eventually left.
Beyond that, I don't really see how the FW of a Decorum conference is going
to be very effective. Given that FWs on Grex can't censor
(expurgate/scribble) individual responses, some annoying punk could easily
poison each item by putting in some obnoxious response.
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