response 1 of 28:

Sep 14 00:49 UTC 1997

Wonderful...hope you can contribute to the discussions.  I'd love to hear what
you have to say.

response 3 of 28:

Sep 14 20:47 UTC 1997

well thank you very much.. =)
I guess I'll start a new topic then. what do you guys think of the supposed
incubbus and succubus encounters?  Mayn people have reported the feeling of
waking up in the middle of the night pinned to their beds with the feeling
that they are being sat on by some force. Many also feel sexually aroused by
these "forces" so the whole who incubus or succubus encounter begins.  I think
these are perfect examples of sleep paralysis and hypnopomic hallucinations.
I've been reading some case histiry of human hallucinations, both drug induced
and that of normal brain activity. Hypnoomic hallucinations (those occuring
upon waking) are very common. In the hypnopomic state, the brain cannot
instantaneously switch from dreaming to a waking state, and the dream extends
into the waking period. This state combined with normal sleep paralysis can
be very frieghtening experiences. All cultures thru the ages have reported
incubus annd succubus encounters. They are called different things, hags,
demons, elves, little people.  Is it possible that so many people can have
the same hallucination, or is there some actual truth to this?
Jung believed it was a racial memory implanted in our genes eons ago when our
ancestors awoke in a dark cave and panicked at the presence of a predator...
Any thoughts??

response 5 of 28:

Sep 16 17:36 UTC 1997

Yes I understand that. I too have woken up in the middle of the night and felt
the bonds of sleep paralysis. It's a scary thing. You can't move, yet your
mind is fully awake. Fear takes over your mind and the brain produces
hallucinations. You "see" images in your room.  You "feel" these images
touching you or whatever. The increased oxygen amounts via blodd in your ears
causes sounds to be louder than they actually are, so you even "hear" these
demons talking to you...But you'd think with all human minds being different,
we'd see different images attacking us.. Yet everyone reports similar things.
also,this makes me wonder if this type of occurance has anything to do with
alien abductions. Are these instances just another form of the Succubus
experience?

response 7 of 28:

Sep 20 19:57 UTC 1997

<erg, lesbian succubi...>
Skye, the connection you've made here between Succbus incounters and alien
aductions is a facination one indeed! They are a lot of similaities, for
instance aductees are often awaken from their sleep by a bright light, and
become completely paralysed. It could well be that the pheonominon of alien
abduction is simply a evolved for of Succubus incounters. Some questions: You
say that everyone reports similar images of Succubus incounters, what is a
typicla exaple of these images? Also, do those who experience Succubus
incounters think that they've raped by the succubus/incubus? I'm wondering
because similar experiences of sexual violation are also frequently
experienced by alien abductees.

response 9 of 28:

Sep 21 18:57 UTC 1997

Well, yes, but it would certainly be possible to *belive* that a 'succubus'
has had intercourse with you, just as it would be possible to belive that a
similarly imagined 'alien' had intercourse with you.  
Haven't some 'abductees' reported being immobilized without physical bonds?

response 11 of 28:

Sep 25 00:59 UTC 1997

Right.  Couldn't that be equivalent to the 'paralysis' reported by succubus
victims?

response 13 of 28:

Sep 27 17:41 UTC 1997

Decidedly and interesting theory.

response 15 of 28:

Oct 31 21:42 UTC 1997

Hmmmm...interesting topic. Skye, I've never experienced sleep paraylsis that
I'm aware of. Oddly, though, there was a 5-6 year period when I was in middle
school and high school, where both of my arms would be totally asleep after
I woke up. I assume it had to do with the position I slept in (lying on my
stomach, with my arms crossed, and under my head). This happened very
regulaly, and was more of an annoyance than anything. I would end up using
the shoulder muscles to swing the dead weight of my arms over on top of the
alarm clock to shut it off. And it would only last about a minute. 

I know the mindset during the period immeadiately following waking up is not
well understood. A navy buddy of mine was charged with assaulting a superior
officer, when the officer woke him up by yelling at him about something. My
friend immeadiately jumped up and slugged the officer in the face. Hard. He
told the court martial judge that he didn't remember a thing, and was not
punished (I'm sure it helped that his lawyer was very good). So its
interesting that legally, one is not responsible for their action during the
first few moments they wake up. It would be interesting if they could change
it to the first few hours after you wake up, eh?

response 17 of 28:

Nov 3 22:57 UTC 1997

but you can do cool things to your arm(s) that would normally be beyond your
pain threshhold, such as lighting your fingers on fire...pulling out your
thumbnail...bending your pinkie back to touch your wrist...etc.

response 19 of 28:

Nov 4 22:51 UTC 1997

boredom I would guess, I have days when I'd do that.

response 21 of 28:

Nov 6 00:30 UTC 1997

Oh, of course.

response 23 of 28:

Nov 8 09:18 UTC 1997

I happen to be the bastard son of Gumby....Ethel Mermin was my mother. They
met in a gay bar in San Francisco in 1963. She was dressed as a man. He was
dressed as a pencil.