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llanarth
Loch Ness, a Legend or True? Mark Unseen   Nov 22 23:52 UTC 1995

There's been plenty of stories about the Loch Ness Monster (nessie).. what do
you all believe? what do you think Nessie is? is it a Pleizeosaur? (sp?), is it
large eels?, is it odd-finned fish?, is it otters? what do you think it is?..
38 responses total.
orinoco
response 1 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 04:11 UTC 1995

Interesting that all the pictures of it that exist are fuzzy, badly
focused, and black-and-white........
eldrich
response 2 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 15:15 UTC 1995

Does anyone other than me know about chessie?
orinoco
response 3 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 19:12 UTC 1995

Chessie?
llanarth
response 4 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 17:51 UTC 1995

tru orinoco.. but.. oh i dunno..
eldrich
response 5 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 21:24 UTC 1995

Oh, too bad. Chessie=the Chesapeake bay monster oh uninlightened ones.
orinoco
response 6 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 15:18 UTC 1995

Ah...excuse me for not living in virginia...=)...tell us more
kain
response 7 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 02:55 UTC 1995

yup and all the photo's which exist of the nessie are fuzzy and I believe to
be fakes
orinoco
response 8 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 22:28 UTC 1995

not necessarily kain...it just makes it hard to tell either way
eldrich
response 9 of 38: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 20:55 UTC 1995

<Eldrich thinks they look like little ducks...>
hoagy
response 10 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 08:20 UTC 1995

        (Little ducks or flippers of sea creatures)

It's amazing how clear a picture of a speeding car can be,
or a fire.  But when they go for nessie, a ufo, or a ghost,
someone can't hold the camera still.
kain
response 11 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 23:22 UTC 1995

you got that right
orinoco
response 12 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 16:07 UTC 1995

of course, the "true believer" might think that the aura of a ufo, ghost,
or fire only lets them be photographed in bad focus
eldrich
response 13 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 17:02 UTC 1995

Well, loch ness is kinda foggy I guess.....
orinoco
response 14 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 19:50 UTC 1995

and all the scenery there is black and white...
eldrich
response 15 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 20:52 UTC 1995

Well, if your using a black and white camera there's not much you do about it!
hoagy
response 16 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 09:49 UTC 1995

        Hell, they've got *color* film in camcorders nowadays,
and we've got better equipment than we had way back when, yet
these "sightings" are always blurry and out of focus, no matter
what.  Z'matter, these people all have the DT's r what?
orinoco
response 17 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 18:57 UTC 1995

...:)...
It is amazing, though, that no evidence of nessie has been found in an era
when it should be so easy to discover.
hoagy
response 18 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 09:17 UTC 1995

        Here's something I like :  A few years ago, while in a moving
car, my wife was filming on our camcorder.  We saw the Fuji blimp
(Remember that back in '93?)  We managed to keep it in FOCUS for
over ONE MINUTE in a MOVING car.  We made phallic references to it,
blah blah blah.  
        How is it, then, that people who are STANDING PERFECTLY STILL
with a camcorder cannot keep a focus on an alleged UFO or the
Loch Ness Monster?  

(a) The DT's
(b) They're just so nervous and excited that they couldn't possibly
    hold that camera still.  Oh, yeah, they weren't in shock or
    panicking, either, yet they were "nervous and excited".
    (If you saw a UFO, wouldn't you be a BIT nervous and wonder "Hey, are
    they coming in peace or to fry our asses?"  You would, and you'd
    start to panic.  You wouldn't be just "excited".  Being "excited"
    doesn't cause you to lose the ability to keep a level head or
    level camcorder hand, for that matter.)
(c) 'cause it's a hoax


I tend to go with "c"
eldrich
response 19 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 20:44 UTC 1995

I think that it's very likly that it's none of the above. I don't have much 
exsperience with camcorders but I know whenever I try to use one I can't hold  
the damn thing still!
orinoco
response 20 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 21:38 UTC 1995

there's a difference between holding it perfectly still and shaking it so
much that it's impossible to see the subject clearly
eldrich
response 21 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 19:01 UTC 1995

Still, we're only human.
mcpoz
response 22 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 22:50 UTC 1995

From my experience, I would say that the "classic" pictures of nessie, most
flying saucers, etc are blurred from extreme enlargement.  This not only makes
it grainy, but shows the movement blur which is usually there at a microscopic
level.  (Doesn't make the pictures more believable, but may explain why they
all have that same appearance.)  

Most cameras before 1960 shot at 1/125th of a second which guaranteed some
degree of blur, but they used large negatives which minimized the effect of
the movement.
orinoco
response 23 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 01:15 UTC 1995

Mcpoz...how much would you have to enlarge a picture to get that degree of 
blur and graininess?
mcpoz
response 24 of 38: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 02:25 UTC 1995

Almost any hand held photo with slower shutter speeds would show it at about
8x10.  I would imagine if you had a standard 4x6 photograph and wanted to
enlarge a portion about the size of a postage stamp, you would have that
effect from almost all snapshot cameras hand held.
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