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nephi
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Another God Paradox
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Jan 30 06:55 UTC 1995 |
Here's another God paradox.
Can God make a rock so big that he cannot move it?
If there is no answer to this, it would seem that God is not omnipotent,
after all.
Comments?
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suzi
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response 1 of 153:
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Feb 18 06:17 UTC 1995 |
God created humans with wills so strong that He cannot move them...so I
suppose a rock is another possibility.
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nephi
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response 2 of 153:
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Feb 18 09:40 UTC 1995 |
Does this mean that he is not omnipotent? Is it true that God can *not*
do everything?
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omni
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response 3 of 153:
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Feb 18 23:14 UTC 1995 |
Not that I need to speak for God, but He is omnipotent, and all powerful.
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suzi
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response 4 of 153:
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Feb 20 01:43 UTC 1995 |
I personally believe that God can do everything. In fact, in my lifetime
I have seen him do some darned impressive things. Maybe He just doesn't
have any good reason to move that rock!
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groove
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response 5 of 153:
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Feb 20 23:27 UTC 1995 |
I think god is a pretty good guy... but I think God can be everything
Christians believe without being omnipotent...
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nephi
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response 6 of 153:
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Feb 22 08:15 UTC 1995 |
Does it say in the Bible that God is omnipotent? If it does, could anyone
say where? Maybe He's not supposed to be omnipotent, after all.
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suzi
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response 7 of 153:
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Feb 23 03:23 UTC 1995 |
r
Nephi, are you speaking in terms of knowledge or power? There are many
of places in the Bible which speak of God having unlimited power and
authority; also, places which speak of His knowledge and wisdom.
Job 11:7-9 is a good place to start. I can't remember offhand if the
word "omnipotent" itself is used; however, the context is used time and
time again in reference to God. (Particularly in the Psalms). Just
the word "Almighty" is in and of itself descriptive of omnipotence, and
is found many times in many passages.
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md
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response 8 of 153:
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Feb 23 13:48 UTC 1995 |
These aren't paradoxes, they're just artifacts of human languange
and human reasoning. "Can God make a blue sky that's completely red?"
"Can God create an object that doesn't exist?"
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groove
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response 9 of 153:
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Feb 23 19:25 UTC 1995 |
thank you.
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buzzard
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response 10 of 153:
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Mar 3 21:59 UTC 1995 |
Nephi, I beleave that God can move that rock. Yousee Nothing is to big
or to heavy for God. I say this because I was that heavey rock. I
hated God because I didn't have a mom or a dad, and I felt that he
wasn't real and If he was I just wasn't going to follow him. Untill
oneday when I decided just to pray for something just to see if God
was really real. I prayed for God to give me parents and if he did I
told hi;m taht would follow him, well on my 18th birthday I got
Adopted, I new right then that God is real and that he can move the tuffest
hardest, and heavyest rock around. He can move your heavy rock to if you
just let him.
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nephi
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response 11 of 153:
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Mar 5 09:46 UTC 1995 |
So he can't create a rock so big that he can't move it?
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md
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response 12 of 153:
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Mar 5 19:02 UTC 1995 |
Yes, he can, but he can move it.
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nephi
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response 13 of 153:
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Mar 6 07:55 UTC 1995 |
Hmm? Then he didn't create a rock he couldn't move. Right?
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md
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response 14 of 153:
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Mar 6 12:57 UTC 1995 |
Wrong. He can create a rock he can't move, but he
can move it.
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groove
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response 15 of 153:
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Mar 6 23:19 UTC 1995 |
God then did not create a rock he can't move because he can move it.
Welcome to paradox!
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buzzard
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response 16 of 153:
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Mar 7 03:27 UTC 1995 |
I beleave that what md is trying to say is that God can make a heavey and reall
(sorry) big rock that we seem that can't be moved, but because God is so
powerful and Mighty he can move the rock, so there for he wouldn't make a rock
that he couldn't move. Even the devil could try to make the heaviest rock in
the world, but because of how powerful God is he would be able to move it.
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orinoco
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response 17 of 153:
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Mar 25 22:47 UTC 1995 |
But if God can do *ANYTHING*, he could make a rock so heavy that he couldn't
move it.
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vester
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response 18 of 153:
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Apr 9 23:36 UTC 1995 |
Why should god(?) even bother? Who's to say god's omnipotent? The bible?
Other beliefs are different. Maybe a more appropriate god would be less
vengeful and we would be more apt to believe in him/her and we wouldn't
care if god could make a rock or move it.
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selena
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response 19 of 153:
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Apr 10 05:31 UTC 1995 |
Vester- we're taling hypotheticals.. We assume, for sake of argument, that
God does care to move it.
Secondly, we ARE talking about the Christian-Judeo God, Which means that,
as far as all their texts and doctrines go, He's omnipotent. *I* don't
worship Him myself, and I don't encourage others to.. I'm just having
fun playing with the mythology..
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orinoco
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response 20 of 153:
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Apr 13 18:49 UTC 1995 |
if anything can make a rock it can't move, it's too powerful for it's own
good....
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dylan
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response 21 of 153:
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Jul 28 18:38 UTC 1995 |
Let us first understand that according to the Bible, all things
were created by the creator.
Time, Space, Weght, Volume, etc., are all a part of His creation.
Although the Bible states that we were first created in the "image
of God", we are not, and I repeat, not the Holy Creator Himself.
The Creator's ways are not our ways. Ie, we can not understand all
of His powers. Most of them are mysterys, or are impossible for us
as created beings to understand.
Let us accept that we are not 'all that' as we sometimes like to
think of ourselves.
Let us quit fooling ourselves into thinking that we are as
wise as our Creator; we are wasting time with these foolish
statements of philosophy.
We only know about God because He has revealed himself to us
through Jesus Christ; whom some have unfortunately made
into a swear word. His name though is not a curse, but rather
a blessing unto all who will recieve Him.
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nephi
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response 22 of 153:
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Jul 29 04:21 UTC 1995 |
Welcome to the Paradox conference, Dylan! I welcome the diversity you bring.
Hmm . . . so what *is* your answer to the question posed in #0? Do you think
that God can make a rock so big that he cannot move it?
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dylan
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response 23 of 153:
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Jul 31 23:40 UTC 1995 |
Well, I thought you already understood what I believe but I will
try to expand upon the idea.
All of creation is in His control.
If He has created something, He has placed it himself somewhere
in space; the space in which He Himself is not confined to.
Ie, even space itself was created by Him, therefore anything in
that space(a LARGE BIG rock)cannot be too large for its creator
(who put it there in the first place)to move.
Now all of this is irrelevant if God wanted the rock to stay at
a specific point. Ie, if He put the rock there to stay, there
it shall stay. He cannot go against His own wishes.
If there is a rock in your life too big for you to move, ask
the LORD to move it for you; you won't be disappointed !!!
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eldrich
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response 24 of 153:
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Sep 12 20:22 UTC 1995 |
IF god created everything then where did god come from?
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