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brenda
questioning beliefs Mark Unseen   Jun 14 00:02 UTC 1994

can anyone tell me how existentialism fits in to religion?  I don't know if I'm
pagan, atheist, (probably not christian), or what- it's subject I've been
looking for quidance on for years.  any suggestions?
99 responses total.
phaedrus
response 1 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 12:20 UTC 1994

Keep looking!!! Brenda it's good that your even questioning it. Keep
searching, if you're persistant you'll find something that'll work for you.
kami
response 2 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 18:58 UTC 1994

If I really understood the definition of existentialism, I might undertake
an answer to Brenda's question.
brenda
response 3 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 21:11 UTC 1994

some of the tenents are:
   1. You are ultimately responsible for every action you make
   2.  The universe is basically uncaring- you do what you do based on
        your own mind.
   3. Whatever situation you are in is your own doing, and if you want it
        changed, that's your responsibility.
   4.  Morality is NOT based on dogma;  it's based on consideing others and
   doing
        what's best.

That's all I can think of right now, but I know there's more...
canis
response 4 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 03:46 UTC 1994

re #3.3

        Well I don't always feel that it is your fault that the situation your
        in is your fault i.e. a mud slide wipes out your house, not really 
        your doing. 

brenda
response 5 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 08:55 UTC 1994

no- but what you do and how you feel about it IS... you are only a "victim"
if you choose to be... you can pick up and rebuild, move, or be homeless..
the results are ultimately your own doing
mta
response 6 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 23:57 UTC 1994

To some extent, I agree, Greg, but then if someone chooses to build/buy
a home where mudslides are known to happen (or on fault lines) they really
oughten't be so surprised when they're hit by mud (or an earthquake.)
"The view was so beautiful" doesn't negate thew choice made.
kami
response 7 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 16:48 UTC 1994

THat sounds pretty straight forward- not mysterious or hard to grasp at all. I
wonder why it seemed so enigmatic?  Maybe because it ISN'T at all mystical.
canis
response 8 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 23:22 UTC 1994

Well ya, if they know that mudslides, and fault lines are there then it is 
there fault. I don't have a problem with people who don't know the first time
it happens. I have a problem with people who know about it, and rebuild in the
same spot then it is there fault. Even still no matter where you go you will
find some kind of natural mass destruction in effect. Weather these hit your
house really isn't your fault, there are some things you can do to prevent 
them a little, but if a storm hits your house full on then it will be destroied
 .
phaedrus
response 9 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 13:23 UTC 1994

I disagree with being able to prevent disasters Greg, except for moving out of
the way Don't try to face off the Mother! You'll lose!
kami
response 10 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 17:22 UTC 1994

It's not NICE to f**k with mother nature! <g>
phaedrus
response 11 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 20:14 UTC 1994

You can learn that the easy way, or...
kami
response 12 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 20:53 UTC 1994

...or, roll around in margarine.
fuz
response 13 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 23:29 UTC 1994

Wearing celophane? (Does that belong here, in lawn care enigma, or sexuality?)
mta
response 14 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 03:25 UTC 1994

Yes, fuz, it does.      <grin>
phaedrus
response 15 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 11:44 UTC 1994

The act of basting one's self in dairy products is a subject that
we need to talk about more openly. No more hiding!
canis
response 16 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 15:21 UTC 1994

no i meant using natures own defences to help your self. To prevent mud slides
plant things, with roots, that hold down the soil in the rain. Such as trees
and plants native to the area. Or to prevent the heat fires in California
plant fire restiant plants all along the outside of your house, the plants 
that grow naturally. That is the best defence. If you are (crazy or stupid)
enough to build you house on a fault line then that is your own damned fault.
Torandos and storms are easy to overcome, plant tall trees, or even more 
practical don't cut down the old trees. The trees keep lighting from striking
er your house and if a tornado needs somewhere flat, the trees will naturally
divert it.  There are other such things that you can do to naturally protect
yourself.
kami
response 17 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 03:52 UTC 1994

Nice approach.  The gods help those who help themselves.
nyt
response 18 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 16:46 UTC 1994

If the lightining hits the tree and it falls on you house, then isn't that 
your fault for planting the tree ther in the first place?
canis
response 19 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 17:09 UTC 1994

What if you didn't put the tree there?
It would be your fault for building the house there.
kami
response 20 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 19:20 UTC 1994

What if the tree is following you?  Or the lightning is? <g>
canis
response 21 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 19:22 UTC 1994

then you would have something to worry about.
kami
response 22 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 20:48 UTC 1994

he, he, he <evil cackle>
canis
response 23 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 23:56 UTC 1994

Hey dad this lighting bolt followed me home can I keep it??? Please? Awww come
on dad let me keep it, I take real good care of it and everything, please?
fuz
response 24 of 99: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 01:52 UTC 1994

I feel so safe with him as my Chief.... ugh...
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