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robh
Alternative Religions Mark Unseen   Apr 13 01:01 UTC 1993

This is the item to discuss alternative relogions, including (but not
limited to) Wicca, Voudon, Asatru, and anything else.
180 responses total.
phaedrus
response 1 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 8 19:36 UTC 1993

I'm glad to see that you included an African tradition in the description, 
there's a real air of mistrust about some of the African Witchcraft right now,
at least in my experience. Which is odd I think among Pagans, people that
have been treated many times with such intolerance, treating others the
same way!
-Phaedrus
robh
response 2 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 8 20:55 UTC 1993

I know someone who pratices the Yoruba tradition of Voudon, and a few
others who use bits of it here and there.  They're really neat people.
The worst thing I've heard said about Voudon is that they kill animals
as part of their rituals.  But then they eat them afterwards, so how
is this different from anyone else killing and eating an animal?
phaedrus
response 3 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 8 23:49 UTC 1993

THANK YOU!! I am a believer of Sateria, and agree with you totally! It is
incredible to me that people that eat meat so casualy, could point a finger  at
such practices! The African traditions I've studied(ing), are great! And have a
high respet for life, AND death! -Phaedrus
bryan
response 4 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 05:55 UTC 1993

've seen in pagan circles. These people who condemn the killing of animals and 
fail to recognize there is life and inteligence in all things need an awakening
of some sort.  By the way there will be a open discussion on Pagan Ethics at
the I.C.C. education center 7:00pm. If you are interested in trying at least to
make a difference then please come and share your ideas and experiences.
robh
response 5 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 13:13 UTC 1993

Um, what day is that?  I was told it was June 30th.
bryan
response 6 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 01:19 UTC 1993

you are right of course. June 30,1993 is the correct date. I am starting to get
these events and meetings mixed up. guess it's time to slow down so I don't 
trip over myself.
robh
response 7 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 21:05 UTC 1993

And for those of us who forgot, tomorrow (6-30) is the date for the
Pagan Ethics discussion.  7 PM, ICC Education Center on Hill St.
vidar
response 8 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 01:51 UTC 1993

I practice the 500 year old Viking religion.  Damn is it pretty clear sailing
until the exact day of death.
phaedrus
response 9 of 180: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 13:32 UTC 1993

I just got back from Starwood, and I went to a talk given by Issac Bonnowits,
it was part of an on-going discussion in the community about the Pagan
community keeping so-called satanists at an arms length. He also attacked
the Temple of Set. He basiclly said we shouldn't have anything to do with 
these folks, they are our enemies, and we should stay away. I am not a 
satanist or a Setite, but I think his dismissal is in the spirit of those
that put US down. 
Comments??
-Phaedrus
pegasus
response 10 of 180: Mark Unseen   Aug 2 01:18 UTC 1993

Phaedrus,

What you quoted seems to be the trouble with all religions, imho.  We
have enough trouble in the world without people feeling superior to
others just because of what deity they worship. geez
phaedrus
response 11 of 180: Mark Unseen   Aug 2 12:29 UTC 1993

I agree, that really IS my only problem with other beliefs, that is when they
start telling me that MY beliefs are wrong because their beliefs say so..??!!
But you must admit, christianity has done a great job of slaughtering 
other religions, or at least the people that practice them.
-Phaedrus
robh
response 12 of 180: Mark Unseen   Aug 6 00:15 UTC 1993

Everyone should check out Pagan Digest number 87 in my home directory.
It has information on recent anti-Pagan activity in Arkansas.  (I'd put
it here in the item, but it's waaaaaaay long.)
phaedrus
response 13 of 180: Mark Unseen   Sep 2 19:12 UTC 1993

I have recently had my first lucid dream experience, incredible!!! It was
in context with my conscious life right now and helped me to make decisions
on "this side".  Has anyone one else had this type of experience??
Was it connected to a particular tradition??
My experience was most definatly connected to Santeria, very specificaly!
-phaedrus
robh
response 14 of 180: Mark Unseen   Sep 3 00:16 UTC 1993

I've had several lucid dreams through the years, at least one connected
to my occult practices.  The problem is, they never last for more than
a few seconds.  As though my subconcious were trying to hide something.
Hmm...
phaedrus
response 15 of 180: Mark Unseen   Sep 3 17:37 UTC 1993

Maybe your reistration in the Akkashic record room has expired...!!??
That's weird, can you remember anything of the dream or is it so brief
that you can't? Ihave 1 or two dreams a year that I remember, and none of
them have ever been very odd, standard cartoon like dreams. This seemed so 
real, it didn't seem like a dream, I even thought in it, wow, this doesn't
look like a dream... I've never knew a dream was a dream, eh?!
-phaedrus
pegasus
response 16 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 23:54 UTC 1993

I've visited the Ackashic records hall, and it's pretty neat! Anyone else
been there? :)
phaedrus
response 17 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 13:27 UTC 1993

Every once in a while my mind visits there without telling me, and really 
shakes up my day!:)
-phaedrus
phaedrus
response 18 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 19 18:45 UTC 1993

Anyone familiar with the "Sabien" tradition. I believe it's based on
the mysteries of Egypt.
-phaedrus
robh
response 19 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 03:37 UTC 1993

All I know about the Sabaeans, or however it's spelled, is what I
read in _Drawing_Down_the_Moon_.  Doesn't sound like something
I'd want to try.
phaedrus
response 20 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 12:34 UTC 1993

Thanks for the spelling correction, I could feel that one coming.
Now, Rob, explain please? Having read that book a while back, I don't recall
anything about it at all. Looks like it's time for a reread!
-phaedrus
robh
response 21 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 13:37 UTC 1993

Geeze, it's only been four years since I read it!  I remember that
they were very formal and had loads and loads of rules and dogma and
whatnot, and it didn't sound like something I wanted to try.  What brings
on this question?
phaedrus
response 22 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 17:04 UTC 1993

I met a guy from a Group in Chicago that practices it. And even after talking
to him a bit, I never really got a sense of the tradition. And to be
honest, your asessment sounds acurate.
And although I agree with your view on dogma, it seems to me that many
Neo-Pagans use the lack of rules to justify unhealthy behavior. I am 
an extremest when it comes to knocking down "god's laws", but it seems to me
that many people misinterpret this to mean do anything you want, to anyone
you want. A reexamination of the creed "Do as thou wilt" is in order!
As long as I'm on the soapbox...
Are you getting as pissed as I am about these...people that continue to
attack doctors clinics that perform abortions! I can't believe this.
I say we organize a demonstration at some of the churches of these assholes.
As far as I'm concerned I think they're destroying people!
sigh...
sorry, it's my weekly rant.
-phaedrus
robh
response 23 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 22 02:40 UTC 1993

Unfortunately, to them it makes sense.  They kill or maim one doctors,
and hundreds of "babies" are saved.  Of course, I could use this same
logic to jusitfy killing those protestors to save the live of doctors,
but I won't stoop to their level.

On the Arcana mailing list, someone mentioned a friend who was a
Fundamentalist Christian.  This friend work for an oil company,
using bacteria to locate likely oil supplies.  I'm not clear on the
specifics, but it involves the evolution of the bacteria.  He asked
his friend, "If you don't believe in evolution, how can you perform
this job?"  His friend replied, "Simple.  I don't think about both
at the same time."  Sad, isn't it?
phaedrus
response 24 of 180: Mark Unseen   Oct 22 12:31 UTC 1993

HOW...could one live life, in what must be constant denial?
Hypocracy in action.
I guess maybe that's why so many people are...defecting. Being unable to
have, "faith", in what is obviously a contradiction.
Well, enough bashing...NOT!
I heard am interview on Fresh air last night, on a doctor who performs abortion
and is beibng harassed beyond words. I just don't get it. MAybe I should
be thankful that I DON'T get it!
-phaedrus
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