Enochian Magick help

Feb 19 18:16 UTC 1994

Does anyone know anything about Enochian Magick, I already know that its
dangerous, stuff, and I don't intend to use it, I just want to know more
about it. I primalirly want to know more about the Watch Towers, and the
Tiles, and their meanings, please help.

response 2 of 24:

Feb 19 23:29 UTC 1994

I think it only becomes really a "danger" when you understand what it is
tht you're doing. Hopefully by that time, you'll be able to handle any,
"danger".
Rob, is that book any good, I've seen it, and thumbed through it, but never
had the guts to slap down...$$$$$...big bucks for it.
Isn't Enochian, a language/system that was learned from angels essentially?
Or was that the angel cards...
-phaedrus

response 4 of 24:

Feb 20 02:54 UTC 1994

 
        A good introduction to the Golden Dawn is one by Donald Michael 
Kraig, called "Modern Magick".  The cover is a little fantastic, but the
text inside is very solid Golden Dawn material, and covers that material 
much more completely than most books on the subject.
 
        Enochian magick is based on a tablet of syllables representing
componets of the names of the angels.  In and of itself, summoning angels
is not particularly dangerous, however, the associated rituals of the
Opening by Watchtower and Closing by Watchtower can be used to summon all
manner of nasties astrally, and the majority of the ones, according to every
GD source I've read, tend to want a part of your personality and life in
return for whatever they offer.  Yeesh.  No thanks.
 
        Quabbalism, and many of the supposedly Egyptian rituals that the
GD uses *are*, in my humble opinion, the real thing.  It's a very sound
system ideologically, and it's goals are noble.  I wouldn't want to have
to figure out Hebrew correspondencies for defence, though, when bein
attacked.

response 6 of 24:

Mar 1 04:33 UTC 1994

I'd heard that, at one time, they would only teach you the Qabalah
if you were married *or* over 35 years old.  I guess they wanted to
make sure you discovered the jots of sex before the joys of the
Tree of Life, lest you be distracted from your mission of procreation.
>8)  Once you hit 35, you were a lost cause anyway, so why not
let you learn?

If I have any Hebrew questions, I'll ask you, Kami.

response 8 of 24:

May 6 04:19 UTC 1994

Well, hello stranger.  Glad you're back.  Tell me about Shueler- what's his
slant?  background?  how readable were they?  What other texts fit well with
them?  I went through a brief period of copying tables and charts and stuff
out of the Proceedings of the Golden Dawn, etc., then decided I didn't want
to live with that style.  Good background material, though.  

response 10 of 24:

May 17 13:32 UTC 1994

personally, i have trouble beliving this 'summoning angels' thing.
i find it strange that anybody would belive they could 'summon' an
angel or daemon.  of course, you could argue that i cant understand
it because i dont 'belive'.

response 12 of 24:

May 18 13:17 UTC 1994

fishy?  how so?
speaking of magick, what is the difference between magick and magic.
i do not mean magic as in the 'my little magic kit' kind.
i mean the ancient persian magic, the 'real stuff' even if it
seems kind of unbelivable.

response 14 of 24:

May 19 15:08 UTC 1994

I think Croweley made the popularized the Magik distinction.
Magik as in ceremonial.

response 16 of 24:

May 20 12:46 UTC 1994

That's definitly the other distinction he made:)

response 18 of 24:

Oct 24 03:05 UTC 1994

this is indeed quite interesting.  Opening a whole range of discussion for
this bunch.  Super!  What sources have you found that are reliable, or are
you getting most info from your primary teacher?  Do you have a sense of
the probable pitfalls or stumbling blocks which face students in your
tradition?  I've noticed that each major path or tradition tends to attract
a particular "personality type" or range thereof and they are prone to
fall into certain common traps as they progress, although "enlightened"
people all look similar in the end- simple and quietly intense...

How are the watchtowers different in nature/use/form of address between
Enochian tradition and Wiccan?

I don't recognize the word "Ayertyrs"- looks like it should be related to the
winds.

response 20 of 24:

Oct 26 16:52 UTC 1994

(Actually, robh knows next to nothing about the Enochian
system of magic, but he would certainly like to hear more.)

response 22 of 24:

Nov 23 04:45 UTC 1994

Hello again all this is Bryan Snowdon (now Shade) wondering if any one is 
still interested in Enochian out there? Phaedrus I am back so look out I plan
to really burn up these lines with postings. So phaedrus do you believe in
Ververs that open doorways summon Loa and allow the Gods to active part in
human affairs?

response 24 of 24:

Nov 12 08:00 UTC 1995

Fill ?