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John Friedlander Classes in becoming a Psychic Mark Unseen   Feb 17 03:13 UTC 1994

John Friedlander and is firm The Practical Psychic Institute is starting
a series of weekend classes for psychic development.

These classes are over several weekends and deal with:
        Personal Mediation and Healing
        Deepening Awareness and Skills
        Putting it all Together.

The first class will start Feb. 19 & 20.  "This practical weekend gets you
in touch with your deep self. From 'the God of your heart' you'll learn how
to communicate with 'the God of other people's hearts.' This ability will 
substantially increase your interpersonal communication effectiveness
and truely move you into more authenticity with friends, family and
acquantences.

On Friday, Feb.18th, John will channel Seth from 7:30-9:30 pm.

For more information, call Julia King at 769-6346 or Donna Ryen at
761-8821. (The Seth channeling is open to non-seminar participants for a 
$10 donation.)
21 responses total.
anne
response 1 of 21: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 23:23 UTC 1994

This sounds gerat (great), too bad I'll be out of town :(
grey
response 2 of 21: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 03:59 UTC 1994

 
        That sounds a bit revisionist.  What's behind it, and what are the 
methods used?
kami
response 3 of 21: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 20:36 UTC 1994

I'm awfully suspicious of such "quick fixes" and "power in ten easy lessons"
schemes that purport to replace a life time of study and commitment.
grey
response 4 of 21: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 06:00 UTC 1994

 
        Power in ten easy lessons.  Each lesson is to be precisely 100 years in
length.  Classes begin now.  If you don't know where the classes are being
held, then you don't have the prerequisites.
phaedrus
response 5 of 21: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 07:22 UTC 1994

OK...I've been avoiding this area cause I didn't want to really stir up 
trouble, but...just what the hell is Seth channeling, and don't you think
this Seth guy is gonna get annoyed by th whole deal. Or is he getting part of
the $$$.:)
I agree Kami and John, this is preciely the weekender attitude that I 
think is irreverant, badly. It seems to lend itself to giving people what 
they are looking for. Lot's of sparkly auras.
But...I'm really not trying to be an ass, especially not to Patricia.
No offence please...too late.
-phaedrus
pegasus
response 6 of 21: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 03:53 UTC 1994

Kami,

You can make your life as hard as you want. The point is, it can be easy.
You are the one who makes it hard on yourself.

Phaedrus, the tools can be taught very quickly and easily. It takes a
while to master them tho.  Why do you say it's irreverant? We're not
talking about any dieties. We're talking about learning to be psychic.
kami
response 7 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 05:23 UTC 1994

learning to be psychic? how do you un-learn it when you get sick of the shit
it brings your way?!
anne
response 8 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 15:43 UTC 1994

Why then you take the weekend unlearning class silly. 8^}
kami
response 9 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 20:33 UTC 1994

ohoh, right.  I guess they didn't offer that the year after I took the prereq,
just like chemistry and advanced bio. ;<}
anne
response 10 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 23:43 UTC 1994

Exactly.
pegasus
response 11 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 04:35 UTC 1994

I can't believe you folks. I thought this forum was supposed to be 
the place where people could talk about ideas, etc without ridicule. My
mistake!  I would like to suggest that those who have no interest in
channeling, learning to increase their psychic abilities stay out of this
thread. I certainly do not go into the magic threads and make biting comments
or stupid jokes. I think I have the right to ask for some civility. Perhaps
Chris would like to comment? He's the fw.
anne
response 12 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 19:29 UTC 1994

I want to apologise.  After being the first one to say that I was
interested in going- but couldn't to as peagasus put it ridiculing the
item.  And actually, I am interested in learning how to be more psychic,
am I allowed to blame some of my earlier remarks on an evil twin? :}


vishnu
response 13 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:37 UTC 1994

I don't think increasing psychic abilities is the right word
for it.  Maybe 'learning to channel' mental energies would work
kami
response 14 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:48 UTC 1994

oops, sorry.  Didn't mean to offend-- a lot of trigger words tied up in the
original posting.  I've met too many unscrupulous and power-hungry types who
want to gain prestige by offering 
"shortcuts", and too many who want to gain stature by claiming to be "psychic"
(who isn't?) or powerful and mostly wanting to scare people.  The comments 
about not being able to find the off-switch were from bitter experience.  Self
referential humour is a good relief valve.  Again, sorry to be denigrating.
Perhaps if you were to share some of your interests and experience with the
rest of us, pegasus, or tell us more about this teacher and others, we will
all learn something.  OK?
Cheers! Kami
robh
response 15 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:54 UTC 1994

Remember pegasus, Chris ain't the only fw, and he doesn't sign on
nearly as often as I do...

I've just scanned through the entire item, and I have to agree,
people have been unnecessarily harsh.  Goddess knows I don't go
for the "quick fix" style of psychic development - four years now,
and I still can't balance my checkbook >8) - but I did exactly
what pegasus suggested.  I stayed out of the item.

Folks, I've swallowed a lot of bile over the years, when people
have told me about "Atlantean Power Rods" that could destroy
matter (yeah, right, and Atlantean power monkeys might fly out of
my butt), "evil wizards" who have been hurling curses at each other,
and so on.  It took a lot of restraint not to whop these people
upside the head, but somehow I managed.  Why?  Because there are
too damn many people out there who think we're ALL weirdoes who
should be locked up, and in that respect at least, we should band
together, IMHO.  If you have a problem with what Pattie's saying,
there are polite ways of saying it.  "I don't believe in channelling,
personally," works a hell of a lot better than "New age sucks, huh
huh, huh huh huh."

Now, if people want to try acting civilly, go ahead.  Otherwise,
please stay out of this item.
robh
response 16 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:55 UTC 1994

Kami's response slipped in.
phaedrus
response 17 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 18:33 UTC 1994

OK...Rob, (Dad), I apoligise Patricia. I also knee-jerked on this one.
I too have watched to many people "play" and am tired of it. I do agree
that there are mental excersizes to help the mind become more aware of
psychic events. But this really sounded like a magical pill for psychic 
improvement. I too have been working a while at this, and still am not
even ready to begin!
So...what *is* Seth channeling?
-phaedrus
pegasus
response 18 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 03:54 UTC 1994

Phaedrus, et all...

Apologies accepted. Thank you for the grace to do that.

OK, Seth is one of a smallish number of well-known entities that people
have channeled. Most of the reason they're well known is that the channelers
have put the stuff into books. Jane Roberts is the main Seth resource, tho
she died in the late 70s, I believe.  Others include Michael (that's all I
can come up with now) and indeed, whole "cults" have sprung up around the
channelers. This, in my view, is bad. I discourage anyone into deifying
any entity, no matter how advanced.                       ^FROM

Now, as fro the class itself, we dealt with the chakras: learning where
they were, cleaning them, removing chords from them, and then tuning into
our higher selves and talking to the higher selves of others.  The next class
in the series is supposed to show you how to read auras and do more healing
work, and start practicing these abilities to where you can start predicting
or detailing stuff you really have now way of knowing.

For example, at the class I attended, one of the last excercises had us 
tuning into another person, and I was able to describe to her what she
saw looking outside her house. (and, no. I didn't know her before the class,
and don't associate with her now.)

So, my belief is that the class was useful, and that I'll take the second
set sometime in the future, and hopefully the 3rd set as well.
kami
response 19 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 06:14 UTC 1994

gee, that's pretty solid material, if not exactly "for beginners" in my 
estimation.  Pity there were so many trigger words for erroneous assumptions
in the first-impression/presentation.  I'd still worry about follow-up and the
after effects of this class: difficulty processing new perceptions or turning
them off, misinterpretation, confusion or concerns about one's sanity from the
change in boundaries, etc.  Some folks can get carried away.
phaedrus
response 20 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 15:52 UTC 1994

Kami,
I think no matter how much care is taken, there is a certain burn that happens
it happened to me. You're right, it's new boudaries, but I wonder if that isn't
 part of the process. Though when it happened to me I had support from others.
-phaedrus
kami
response 21 of 21: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 21:27 UTC 1994

exactly.  If such a class is your first experience or you are afraid to talk
about it, you can make matters worse by isolating yourself and quietly wig
out.  Not good.  Then there
is a friend of mine who seems to be afraid of most intense magical/psychic
experiences even though she's quite talented, and is too afraid of getting
lynched or subjected to badly skewed "vibes" to put herself where she can
meet folks with similar experiences.  Sigh.
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