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bartlett
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Ritual space.
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Feb 7 20:03 UTC 1994 |
As Per Kami's suggestions in item #21, this is a place to discuss rituals
you havew attended, share bits of ritual performance, poetry, invocation,
etc, and if appropriate discuss any effect the ritual had on you.
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vidar
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response 1 of 40:
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Feb 7 21:14 UTC 1994 |
I wouldn't counsider it a ritual, but rather a personal worship. Each night
w/o sacrifice I pay homige to the high gods: Odin, Thor, Tyr and others.
How do I accomplish this? Psionic Communication, Telepathy. Yes, I talk
to my Gods. Occasionally they have granted me favors. But it only happened
once, to my recollection.
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robh
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response 2 of 40:
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Feb 7 21:33 UTC 1994 |
Sounds decent. I used to ask the Goddess for favors, but these days
I just meditate daily, and if I get the favors, hey, I'm not
complaining!
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kami
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response 3 of 40:
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Feb 8 06:03 UTC 1994 |
I've blithered enough for a bit; later I'll toss in a transcript or two, but
for now-
When I was a kid I took the "god bless mommy, god bless daddy" routine to the
point of counting people who loved me, people I loved, and collective bodies
I cared about and giving thanks/ asking protection for them as I settled for
sleep. Later I took to cataloging what was good or difficult about each day
and giving thanks for the gift or challenge. God seemed very personal, going
from mostly my grandmother and great aunt watching over me to a gentle father
to a wise mother. To this day, when I'm too deep in shit to do specific work,
a loud mental shout of "mother, help me" seems to suffice. Last year the shit
really hit the fan for a protracted period of time (actually ending 2 Xmases
ago- so not last year but the previous), and for the first time I found myself
working with deities who had consistent names and faces. Prior to that I was
content with vague forms and sweeping attributes; "may the face of the mother
which is needed for this work be here in this space" would have been the words
if I needed any.
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anne
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response 4 of 40:
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Feb 8 21:41 UTC 1994 |
I wanted to say Hi to Kami- see I took your advice!
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vidar
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response 5 of 40:
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Feb 8 22:27 UTC 1994 |
Re#4: It would have been a little more polite if you took it to mail.
Drifting away from the drift and back on topic:
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kami
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response 6 of 40:
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Feb 9 06:32 UTC 1994 |
hey, Vidar- go easy on new users; you've had your days, too. She joined grex
in response to my mail.
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phaedrus
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response 7 of 40:
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Feb 9 15:45 UTC 1994 |
Hi Anne.
I agree Kami, take a pill Vidar.
I have just started having a solid perception of what I see the divine as too.
I wonder if it just takes some time, being alive a while. Being a young pup,
it seems strange to start to have some tangible concepts. and to know how
ignorant I really am. I wonder if that's what the 20's are about?
Vidar, it's great that you give reverence to your God/Godess-es every night.
I too have daily rituals I perform, nothing major. Maybe as little as lighting
a candle for my ancestors.
-phaedrus
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kami
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response 8 of 40:
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Feb 9 19:43 UTC 1994 |
It seems useful to me, to find the sacred, the "little magics" in everyday
living. THere is little benefit in Full Moon Paganism or Sunday Xtianity.
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phaedrus
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response 9 of 40:
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Feb 9 20:14 UTC 1994 |
Are you shootin' straight today Kami!! Again, I completly agree. The weekend
stuff is also disrepectful to the God/ddess. To have some integrity and courage
to stand up for her/him/them!
-phaedrus
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kami
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response 10 of 40:
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Feb 9 20:44 UTC 1994 |
I should quit jawing (fingering?) and get some work done...
there seem to be two or three "tracks" of worship- personal, unstructured,
inspired stuff- mostly for self-discovery, "pure magic", etc. is one. Formal,
organized group ritual for worship, study, celebration, or "work" is another.
A third is social- large group public ritual where we share common language
and get reinforced in our "rightness" by seeing lots of fellow-folk, and one
more is the relatively formal personal ritual we devise for communion with our
personal deities, for healing and self discipline. These types of worship
seem to involve rather different forms, language and structure. I don't know
if they can or should be integrated. At least for me, they are not but I am
trying not to ignore one for another too completely.
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vidar
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response 11 of 40:
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Feb 10 00:56 UTC 1994 |
Okay, So I am a bit harsh. I shall settle down, though it might take
a whilt (odie is getting on my nerves)
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kami
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response 12 of 40:
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Feb 10 04:48 UTC 1994 |
thanks. I've noticed you seemed quieter or mellower lately. good?.
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vidar
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response 13 of 40:
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Feb 10 23:16 UTC 1994 |
Mainly I don't have anyone bugging me anymore. (Except in party)
It could be just that I am feeling a little strange. Moving to Malaysia
is the first move I'll have made in 13 years.
Last night at Model U.N. I decided to embarrass myself to get a few laughs
from fellow students: I move to question the sanity of the chair.
It should have been a point of oder, as the chair was out of order.
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kami
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response 14 of 40:
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Feb 11 14:44 UTC 1994 |
right! uh-huh.
major changes can be great catalysts for growing up- a sense of being out of
leeway, as it were. Try to observe aned enjoy the process; your feelings, what
memories seem particularly important to store up, how you're changing, etc.
These will all give you insight into your self which is the framework your own
magic must be built upon for strength, and make great stories for your grand
children some day.
Wow! you're really putting effort into these ascii runes. I'll have to play
around in pico some until I can do the same. Not today, however- I've nearly
sliced through my forefinger, and the typos that result from not using that
finger are driving me nuts.
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vidar
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response 15 of 40:
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Feb 11 14:47 UTC 1994 |
Ow! And I remember when I used to cut myself un purpose. I still do, but
only if I'm promising something, for some strange reason letting blood is
the only way I ever keep promise (or there is that slight referance to the
sacred Blood of Odin, and I've never broken one of those yet). The orignal
reason is I found it actually helps with some minor illnesses.
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kami
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response 16 of 40:
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Feb 11 16:53 UTC 1994 |
how medieval <g>
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robh
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response 17 of 40:
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Feb 12 00:15 UTC 1994 |
Actually, there can be times when ritual blood-letting is appropriate,
but I don't think mere self-desctruction is one of those. I read
an essay on the use of blood in ritual, from an ftp server in
Sweden. It was interesting.
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vidar
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response 18 of 40:
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Feb 12 00:22 UTC 1994 |
I use it medieval like, as Kami says. Blood seems to equal truth.
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phaedrus
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response 19 of 40:
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Feb 14 13:55 UTC 1994 |
I agree, blood is really the "zero B.S." ingredient in ritual!
It tends to banish any unseriousness. Sometimes people.
-phaedrus
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vidar
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response 20 of 40:
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Feb 14 22:47 UTC 1994 |
Well, people who can't stand the sight of blood don't deserve to live.
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kami
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response 21 of 40:
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Feb 15 05:38 UTC 1994 |
If it's the sight of their own blood they can't see, they may be engaged in
fulfilling just your sentence :)
Seriously, each person's magic comes from a different base- Here's an odd
thought: if one finds "cold iron" to be inhibiting, since blood is iron based,
might it not actually be counter productive. For other folks, iron is the
tool of their will, and both blood letting and smithcraft might serve for
different purposes. I find I'm pretty changeable, but mostly work best with
"found objects" in the woods, movement, sound patterns and more abstract stuff.
Once in a while I can't touch metal for a bit. That gets weird and usually
results in something intense and neat if I go with it. Actually, if I were
going to do any sort of blood magic, it would be with menstrual blood- not an
option for you guys, I suppose ;) , but I'd sooner use hair. Goodness, come to
think of it, copper is my favorite metal, and hair is a copper based protien.
Cool.
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iggy
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response 22 of 40:
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Oct 1 12:04 UTC 1994 |
what a neat item!
if i had to swear an oath in the name of a god, and i knew i would
have to break that oath, i would swear it in the name of odin.
yes, odin is the god of truth, but many forget he is also the god of lies.
<i has several references to this, but it was a book borrowed from the
university library and i had to return it. it was about not the gods
themselves, but how the ancient people interacted with them.>
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kami
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response 23 of 40:
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Oct 2 23:11 UTC 1994 |
Iggy, good point. I'd like to see this book. Do you have author and title?
Would you like to summarize some of your notes?
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iggy
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response 24 of 40:
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Oct 3 12:03 UTC 1994 |
should i find it again, i would be more than happy to.
i remember reading about a raiding party that was captured in great britian.
their captors for some reason didnt want to kill them outright, so
they made the norse landing party swear an oath to one of their gods
that if they were turned loose they would leave and not attack.
they swore upon their oath rings to odin. they were released,
and the villagers felt safe as it was a very powerful
oath sworn that night.
the entire rading party attacked soonafter.
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