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popcorn
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Raspberry leaves for PMS?
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Dec 25 00:19 UTC 1993 |
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pulse
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response 1 of 45:
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Dec 25 06:24 UTC 1993 |
Raspberry leaf contains cliotin, a natural sedative.
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vidar
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response 2 of 45:
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Dec 25 18:07 UTC 1993 |
Either I'm really confused, or It's Christmas morning.
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rcurl
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response 3 of 45:
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Dec 25 19:11 UTC 1993 |
Re #1: would you identify "cliotin" more fully, please? It is not in
the Merck Index (9th ed) under that name. Valerie, I know that Alice
is getting a book for Xmas on medicinal plants, but we haven't had
the presents orgy yet. I'll let you know what it says (if someone
hasn't already).
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ziggy
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response 4 of 45:
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Dec 25 21:18 UTC 1993 |
. . . . no comment, I might want to get a hold of some fer my World Cultures
teacher though.
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robh
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response 5 of 45:
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Dec 26 11:30 UTC 1993 |
This is now linked to Synthesis as item 20.
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ziggy
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response 6 of 45:
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Dec 26 16:06 UTC 1993 |
oh.
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rcurl
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response 7 of 45:
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Dec 26 22:48 UTC 1993 |
Re #3: The book is Magic and Medicine of Plants, a Reader's Digest
publication (originally published in 1986). It contains an enormous
amount of anecdotal and folklore material about plant uses. Re
raspberry:
"American Indians used the shrub as an astringent, making an infusion,
or tea, of the root bark, which they applied to sore eyes. Europeans
in the 17th century regarded the raspberry as an antispmodic, and they
made a syrup of the juice, which they used to prevent vomiting......
In the 18th century physicians and herbalists deemed the berries useful
as a remedy for heart disease."
"Modern herbals prescribe the plant chiefly for the medical problems of
women. The shrub contains a substance that is both a relaxant and a
stimulant of the uterine muscle. Herbalists value an infusion of the
leaves for parturition........."
"Uses: scientific studies support the traditional use of the raspberry
as an astsringent in the treatment of diarrhea. On the basis of
animal experiments, pharmacologists have validated the use of the leaves
as an antispasmodic for dysmenorrhea...and have found some evidence to
validate its uses an an aid of childbirth."
So, Valerie, if you believe, you will receive simultaneous relief from
PMS, diarrhea, vomiting, heart disease, and parturition.
(The books gives no citations to scientific studies on any of these
effects.)
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ziggy
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response 8 of 45:
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Dec 26 23:02 UTC 1993 |
yes rane, do you really haev enough time in your life to spend four
paragraphs of text talking about how rasberry leaves help PMS. If yu
do you're lucky. Franky I would use my time in some different manner.
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rcurl
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response 9 of 45:
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Dec 26 23:12 UTC 1993 |
To each her/her own. It is not customary here to criticize how others
spend their time. I might mention I touch type at 60 wpm, so didn't
really think about the time it would take to respond to a fellow grexer.
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mju
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response 10 of 45:
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Dec 26 23:26 UTC 1993 |
(I wonder if ziggy has ever met Marcus?)
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jdg
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response 11 of 45:
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Dec 27 04:41 UTC 1993 |
hee hee hee.
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vidar
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response 12 of 45:
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Dec 27 15:24 UTC 1993 |
huh huh huh huh huh.
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ziggy
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response 13 of 45:
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Dec 27 16:05 UTC 1993 |
Well, sorry . . . for me it would take a while I only do 50 wpm. No hard
feelings? Who's Marcus?
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mju
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response 14 of 45:
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Dec 27 21:59 UTC 1993 |
Marcus is one of the Grex founders, but he doesn't call much anymore.
He also wrote PicoSpan. He's one of the major figures in Ann Arbor
computer conferencing history. The reason I mention him here is
that Marcus is famed for entering very long, very detailed
(and very correct) responses on many different topics. They frequently
exceed 100 lines.
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ziggy
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response 15 of 45:
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Dec 28 15:07 UTC 1993 |
WOAH! I have to much homework to even do half that!
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rcurl
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response 16 of 45:
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Dec 28 15:28 UTC 1993 |
No hard feelings. I just wanted to establish the principle that we are
all entitled to use, or waste, our time in whatever fashion we wish. I'm
surprised that this wasn't the 11th amendment.
My interest goes beyond PMS (from which I do not suffer, except sometimes
indirectly), as I'm a chemist, and plant chemicals are fascinating. Of
course, plants have been used in medicine from prehistoric times, and many
modern medicines originally came from plants. A lot of medical nonsense
also comes from plants, but history has shown that one should not knock
the folklore until it has been well investigated.
While "Magic and Medicine of Plants" contains almost no technical -chemical-
information, it must have derived in part from sources that did. I have
since found that the genus Rubus - brambles, including blackberries,
raspberries, dewberries, and loganberries - are rich in tannin, gallic
acid and saponins ("villosin" is mentioned for R. nigrobaccus). Tannin
and gallic acid are common (and useful) plant products, and find medical
use as astringents. Saponins are interesting characters: the Merck Index
mentions that they are "poisonous toward the lower forms of life and used
for killing fish by the aborigines of South America", and "Although
practically non-toxic to man upon oral ingestion, they act as powerful
hemolytics when injected into the blood stream, dissolving the red
corpuscles even at extreme dilution."
So be sure to take your raspberry leaf teas orally, and not intravaneously.
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srw
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response 17 of 45:
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Dec 28 17:30 UTC 1993 |
How dangerous would they be if you had a cut in your mouth, then?
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vidar
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response 18 of 45:
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Dec 28 19:33 UTC 1993 |
Damnit Steve, I'm a DM not a Doctor!
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ziggy
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response 19 of 45:
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Dec 28 20:45 UTC 1993 |
re#16, true, true. That was truely a Marcus sized response!
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rcurl
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response 20 of 45:
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Dec 29 04:12 UTC 1993 |
My efforts pale into insignificance before the ostensible epic productions
of The Marcus.
Re #17: I doubt there is any hazard. The saponins are very dilute, and
the tannins are astringents, which close the capillaries. Just don't
main-line raspberry leaf tea.
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ziggy
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response 21 of 45:
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Dec 29 16:19 UTC 1993 |
Are you a doctor?
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rcurl
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response 22 of 45:
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Dec 29 16:36 UTC 1993 |
Not of medicine, but I have copies of the Merck Manual, the Merck Index,
and Gray's Anatomy, and am always happy to diagnose, as long as those
I diagnose sign a liability release.
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ziggy
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response 23 of 45:
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Dec 29 22:13 UTC 1993 |
Okay, so you do know much about the medical field as is apparent in your
responces.
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vidar
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response 24 of 45:
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Dec 30 00:59 UTC 1993 |
Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
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