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Guess it's all OUR fault, gang...
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Sep 15 02:23 UTC 2001 |
Any time that evil is visited upon anyone, anywhere, it's to be blamed on
those who dare to think...
Do these hate-mongering idiots really think G*d will embrace and welcome
them into a blissful afterlife?
As far as I'm concerned, they just parked themselves squarely on the
other side of Psalm 58.
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By John F. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 14, 2001; Page C03
Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most
prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties
groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear
partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their
actions have turned God's anger against America.
"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to
give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on
the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.
"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen
the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do
to the major population."
Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of
blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."
Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others
who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The
abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not
be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make
God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the
feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make
that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way --
all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in
their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "
People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the
comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for
national unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the
remarks "absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."
Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush
last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A
White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The
president does not share those views."
Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a
theological statement, not a legal statement."
"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the
terrorist," he said. But he said America's "secular and anti-Christian
environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a
nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is
not good."
Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she
released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU
spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson
remarks with a comment."
© 2001 The Washington Post Company
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Sep 15 21:11 UTC 2001 |
Falwell is of course claiming he never said it, or he was quoted out of
context. Here's what he says on his web site:
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STATEMENT BY JERRY FALWELL ON 700 CLUB COMMENTS
Senior Pastor, Thomas Road Baptist Church and Chancellor, Liberty
University
Lynchburg, Virginia
September 14, 2001
Despite the impression some may have from news reports today, I hold no
one other than the terrorists and the people and nations who have
enabled and harbored them responsible for Tuesday's attacks on this
nation.
I sincerely regret that comments I made during a long theological
discussion on a Christian television program yesterday were taken out
of their context and reported, and that my thoughts--reduced to sound
bites--have detracted from the spirit of this day of mourning.
Today, I join millions of people throughout this nation and around the
world in remembering all those who died, and praying for our nation,
the victims of this travesty, and their loved ones.
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In other words, Falwell is a coward and a liar. But a couple of items
down the Google page on which I found the above site, I found the
following interesting story:
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Is Jerry Falwell a liar?
By Jerry Sloan
For over 25 years the Rev. Jerry Falwell has been spewing forth
his "gospel" of misinformation and vindictiveness over the radio and TV
airwaves. His latest venture in his chosen occupation of TV huckster
(If I take two Vegematics, will you throw in a set of Ginsu knives?) is
a vitriolic attack on President and Mrs. Clinton. It is done through an
hour-long informercial in which he hustles two video tapes accusing the
President of a variety of crimes.
While many have accused Falwell of stretching the truth or outright
lies, a confrontation occurred ten years ago that set in motion a
lawsuit which would prove in two courts of law that Jerry Falwell is
not a man of his word.
It was Friday, July 13, 1984. Jerry Falwell, who was riding high as the
head of the Moral Majority, appeared in person on a live talk
show, "Look Who's Talking," produced by Sacramento's KCRA-TV. I was in
the studio audience.
During a broadcast of the "Old Time Gospel Hour" on March 11, 1984,
Falwell spoke about the predominantly gay Metropolitan Community
Church, of which I am a former minister:
"But these things speak evil of those things, verse 10 [reading from
Jude] which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute
beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Look at the
Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted
into the World Council of Churches. Almost, the vote was against them.
But they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is
that they would get one vote. Because they are spoken of here in Jude
as being brute beasts, that is going to the baser lust of the flesh to
live immorally, and so Jude describes this as apostasy. But thank God
this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and
there'll be a celebration in heaven."
Falwell became infuriated when I tried to question him about his
statement. He repeatedly denied making it, saying it was "a lie." When
I said I had a tape of the statement, Falwell countered by saying he
would pay me $5,000 if I could produce such a tape.
The following Wednesday I took two audio tapes to the KCRA-TV studio.
One was a tape I had made as the "Old Time Gospel Hour" was broadcast
in Sacramento. The second tape was produced by the "Old Time Gospel
Hour" itself and obtained by sending $4.00. KCRA-TV did a follow-up by
playing portions of the tapes related to my accusations and concluded
Falwell had been quoted accurately and probably owed me $5,000.
My attorney sent a letter to Falwell telling him he could find the
statement on his "Old Time Gospel Hour" audio tape #590 and to please
send a check for $5,000 by return mail. Through an "Old Time Gospel
Hour" attorney, Falwell continued to deny making the statement and
accused me and KCRA of tampering with the tapes. He refused to pay.
On November 30, 1984, Falwell returned to Sacramento on a fundraising
junket. Two hours prior to Falwell's landing at the Sacramento airport,
I filed a lawsuit through my attorney, Rosemary Metrailer, in municipal
court against Falwell for breach of an oral contract. He was greeted by
the Sacramento press corps and a process server as he alighted from his
multi-million-dollar shiny red, white, and blue private jet. The next
day the front-page headline in The Sacramento Union read, "A bad day
for Jerry Falwell."
The trial was eventually presided over by municipal court judge Michael
S. Ullman, who heard the case because the assigned judge was engaged in
another trial. It was unique in that both sides agreed there was no
need for witnesses as everything in dispute was contained on several
hundred feet of TV and audio tape.
During the course of preparing for the trial, I suggested to Metrailer
that there was a similarity between this case and that of the Holocaust
revisionist Institute for Historical Review in Los Angeles, who offered
$50,000 to anyone who could prove the Holocaust actually happened. When
presented the proof, the organization reneged on its offer and refused
to pay. A lawsuit was filed and the Institute was ordered to pay the
$50,000. Metrailer told me the case was not a precedent for this
jurisdiction, but she would use it. If Falwell's attorney, Weldon
Reeves, didn't object, it would stand. Unfortunately, Reeves caught it,
objected, and the judge sustained the objection and threw it out.
Judge Ullman decided the case in my favor in an unusual — for municipal
courts — seven-page opinion.
That should have been the end of it but Falwell didn't want to give up
the $5,000 without further fight. He chose to appeal and through his
attorney made an astounding accusation that during the trial Metrailer
tried to appeal to Judge Ullman's "sympathy and prejudice" by citing
the Institute for Historical Review case. Just before the trial Judge
Ullman revealed he was Jewish by stating that he hoped the trial would
not take more than one day as he wanted to spend the next day with his
family celebrating Rosh Hashanah. In essence they were asserting that
Judge Ullman was Jewish and prejudiced against Falwell, a gentile.
Rabbi David Saperstein of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations
said:
"The contention that a Jewish judge will be swayed by a precedent of
law based on a case that involved Jews or Jewish concerns is an
irresponsible legal assertion and an outrageous moral affront to our
judiciary system and the Jewish people."
The appellate court found Falwell's appeal to be "wholly frivolous and
totally without merit." It also ordered him to pay additional sanctions
(money) for wasting the court's valuable time. He had no ground for
further appeal. Finally in September of 1986, he sent me a check for
$8982.90. The endorsement on the check admonished me not to call a
press conference and gloat.
A portion of the money was used to help open the Lambda Community
Center as a resource for the gay and lesbian people of Sacramento. The
Lambda Center has a room dedicated to Falwell. It was a closet and is
now a toilet.
As stated earlier, it has been proven in not one but two courts of law
that Jerry Falwell reneges on his word, lies about what he has said,
and is not above using slimy tactics, even if they cause him to appear
anti-Jewish.
Falwell has a documented record of making statements then dodging and
denying he said them. Why would anyone give an iota of credence to
anything he propagates? This certainly speaks to the character of
Falwell and reminds one of certain injunctions in the inerrant
scriptures he claims to believe, such as not judging others, looking
after motes and beams in one's own eye before worrying about others,
and speaking the truth in love. It also reminds us that it is indeed
difficult for the leopard to change its spots.
Jerry Sloan attended Baptist Bible College in Springfield, Missouri,
with Jerry Falwell. He and Marghe Covino head the California-based
Project Tocsin, a group which researches the religious right. Copyright
1994 Jerry Sloan.
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