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bjorn
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Disguised reference to the Moon Goddess in Anime?
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Aug 31 13:51 UTC 1998 |
I admit that entering this item is entirely silly, but I had to get this
question off my mind quickly. In the Sailor Moon R movie, Chibi-Usa (Rini)
makes a comment "Sailor Moon's everyones mother. She saves everyone." and
I was wondering if this could be a disguised reference to the Moon Goddess?
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robh
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response 1 of 19:
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Aug 31 14:02 UTC 1998 |
There are tons o' references comparing Serena to the moon -
in the original Japanese, here name is Usagi, which you manga
fans already know means "rabbit". In Japan, they don't refer
to "the man in the moon", they call it "the rabbit in the moon".
I know there's a legend about how the rabbit got there, but
Japanese myth isn't my strong suit.
As far as I know, though, there's no concept in Japanese myth
about the lunar mother. In fact, their sun deity is female
(Amaterasu) and I believe their lunar deity is male.
Sounds like I need to do some Web research when I get home. >8)
And I need to post the URL here of the various Japanese myths
and magical things from Sailor Moon - f'r instance, did you know
that when Rei throws those little pieces of paper with the writing
on them, she's actually summoning the spirits of dead samurai?
Honest, swear it to Athena!
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kami
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Aug 31 14:27 UTC 1998 |
Rob, I'd like to see whatever references you come up with, regarding Japanese
myth, not just from Sailor Moon. I'm especially interested in the Ainu- the
"original" Japanese people, from the Northern islands.
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bjorn
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Aug 31 16:51 UTC 1998 |
Yes, robh, I do know what the Japanese puns in the names mean. I'm sure my
infatuated friend Mark Berger would love to know that little tidbit. So
"Akuryo Taisan" or "Mars Fireballs Charge", Rei is summoning dead samurai?
Cool.
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robh
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response 4 of 19:
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Sep 2 01:39 UTC 1998 |
OK, check out:
http://www.tcp.com/~doi/smoon/smoon.html
http://www.ixc.net/~kokuryu/org_site/FAQ/smfaq.html
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bjorn
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response 5 of 19:
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Sep 2 05:10 UTC 1998 |
Just for your info: looks like I'm going be taking yet another sebatical from
this conference. The last thing I want to do is start up an incarnation of
the vidar vs. skeez stuff from Enigma between myself and jazz in synth. Nor
do I particularily feel like taking an emerging fued to mail. Maybe if I
figure out how to twit people in conferences I'll be back, but if not just
forget it. Bye. O, and my ritual is off too.
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kami
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response 6 of 19:
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Sep 2 05:48 UTC 1998 |
OK, Bjorn. Take a moment to cool off, but please feel welcome here. You are
not unwanted, only contention which does not further discussion is unwanted.
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brighn
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response 7 of 19:
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Sep 3 06:44 UTC 1998 |
I note that Kami has yet to chastise John for similarly non-constructive
behavior.
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mneme
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response 8 of 19:
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Sep 3 17:42 UTC 1998 |
And largely justly, given that Jazz's comments are occasionally dismissive,
and often skeptical, but arely personal to the extent that Bjorn has been
getting.
Never the less, it does take two.
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brighn
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response 9 of 19:
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Sep 3 20:08 UTC 1998 |
as john and I are wonderful evidence of =}
standard practice when two people are arguing is to chastise both of them,
even if one *is* being more eloquent in the argument.
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jazz
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response 10 of 19:
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Sep 3 23:49 UTC 1998 |
Brighn, I elect you Chair in Charge of Chastising Jews and Gypsies for
World War II.
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brighn
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response 11 of 19:
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Sep 4 14:55 UTC 1998 |
Speaking of lapses in judgment...
WWII wasn't an argument. There weren't two sides to it.
Beyond that, I've said I'd tdrop the issue, so I won't go into it.
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kami
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response 12 of 19:
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Sep 4 22:58 UTC 1998 |
Er, John- that was a bit inflamatory. Not *quite* as pointed as calling a
notion "sick", but it might push some awkward buttons. *Please* begin
thinking a third or so time before typing.
Brighn, I generally avoid chastising *anyone* directly, unless they go waaaaay
over the top. A direct, ad hominem attack or ultimatum would seem to fit that
category, especially if experience suggests that it won't quietly go away.
Some folks recognize when they've gotten strident and just mellow out, some
make direct appologies, some disappear for a time- with or without comment-
some hang around and continue to stir things up. All different styles. We
don't run by "Robert's Rules" here.
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jazz
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response 13 of 19:
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Sep 5 14:32 UTC 1998 |
Yeah, I suppose it was, especially since it's not commonly known that
I'm (legally) Jewish, though I could've in all likelihood "passed" under such
circumstances. It was inflamed because of several other experiences, and I
really shouldn't've taken that so seriously. :| If I've offended you, Kami,
I'm sorry.
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brighn
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response 14 of 19:
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Sep 7 16:12 UTC 1998 |
Actually, on my other BBS (which is in Holland), your post wouldn't've just
been absurdly irrelevant, it wou;d've been illegal. *g* Seriously.
(Because it implied that Hitler was engaged in an "argument," rather than
being the sick bastard he was.)
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jazz
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Sep 8 17:10 UTC 1998 |
That's one thing that's nice about America. Though people don't take
responsiblity for their own offense-finding, it's still reasonably OK to say
things that people will take as offensive. So long as they aren't x or y.
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brighn
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response 16 of 19:
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Sep 8 23:06 UTC 1998 |
Neither do people generally take responsibility for their offence-causing.
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bjorn
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response 17 of 19:
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Sep 9 05:16 UTC 1998 |
Those seem to be rather pointed responses.
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brighn
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response 18 of 19:
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Sep 10 05:20 UTC 1998 |
Just our usual volley, bjorn. Pay it no mind. =}
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fireball
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response 19 of 19:
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Oct 5 01:28 UTC 1998 |
To bring the discussion back to the original (and add my 2 cents)
'serena's original name was "tsukino Usagi".
broken up differently this is "Tsuki no Usagi"
Tsuki = moon, Usagi = Rabbit
therefore, Usagi's name literally means "rabbit of the moon".
a somewhat similar name pun occurs with sailor Venus (Aino Minako), Ai = love.
So, her name is "Minako of Love".
interesting things like that :)
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