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canis
Basketball Item Mark Unseen   Nov 23 15:22 UTC 1994

Well I guess this is long over due, but

Who is on top this year?
61 responses total.
carson
response 1 of 61: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 06:59 UTC 1994

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dhoya
response 2 of 61: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 06:49 UTC 1994

At first I thought that the defending champs would be this year, but not after
the loss they had to UMASS I am not quite sure.  Honestly, the way things look
right now, I think the only team that will be on top will be the last team
left in March.
scb
response 3 of 61: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 01:13 UTC 1994

The Hogs will be there in April.  Woooo Pig Sooie!!!
dhoya
response 4 of 61: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 06:07 UTC 1994

I agree with you on that.  However, if they did not learn their lesson from
the UMASS game, I personally think that those dreaded teams from the Carolinas
will sneak in and take their glory.  But I think that the Hogs have learned
after they beat up on Missouri two days ago.
tdamron
response 5 of 61: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 04:28 UTC 1994

hey, being from Kentucky, I am pulling for God's team, the WILDCATS.
Like'em or not they're good and will be even better in March.  I
expect them to be in the final four and make a run for the glory.
scb
response 6 of 61: Mark Unseen   Dec 15 00:12 UTC 1994

I agree Kentucky will be even better in March. The SEC is finally 
getting respect in more than football. You also have to think
Florida and Alabama will be good, and who knows what LSU will do
now that they have Livingston back (and if Caesar gets eligible).
tdamron
response 7 of 61: Mark Unseen   Dec 18 04:23 UTC 1994

I agree with you Sean, the SEC deserves respect and now everyone will realize
how good the conference really is. The SEC will make a good show in the 
NCAA tournament and one SEC team will win.  Will it be Arkansas or Kentucky?
I hope Kentucky.  What does everyone else think?
bubba
response 8 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 19:11 UTC 1995

Ball State all the way in a big upset
jep
response 9 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 03:30 UTC 1995

        In most years I pick the top team in the Big Ten to at least make it
to the Final Four.  After watching Michigan State in an on the road
comeback win over Iowa, then a flat Michigan State in an incredible
comeback that ended in a loss at Indiana, which has been over for about 10
minutes now, I have to think the top team in the Big Ten is likely to be
Michigan State.  Indiana has won 50 straight at home, and fully dominated
this game for most of the way, but Michigan State caught up to within 4
after being down 21 with 9 minutes left.  They were completely outscored
in the first 5 minutes of each half, but played brilliantly for most of
the last 10 minutes of the game.  Against Indiana, always the best coached
team in the Big Ten, it was an incredible performance.  No team which can
do what State did tonight will lose many games.  State is not up to
Arkansas standards on an ordinary night for both teams, but they are very,
*very* good; they should win the Big Ten, and they should go far in the
NCAA tournament.
        This has been a disappointing year for the Big Ten; they have lost
many non-conference games.  But these teams are still good.  Indiana and
Iowa can both play with Michigan State.  So can Illinois and Minnesota.
Michigan is wild but wildly talented; they will lose a lot of games this
year, but they will win some, too.  I'm anxious to se them in a year or
two.  Only Ohio State is really bad this year (only 8 players; they can
only wait until next year).  Even Northwestern has a legitimate team; they
should at least make the NIT tournament.
dhoya
response 10 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 20:32 UTC 1995

I must admit jep that your previous comment about the Big Ten is the most
complete explanation of why the Big Ten is struggling this year.  I personally
believe that the Big Ten is suffering from the same thing that the Big East
was suffering from a few years ago...respect.  And in some ways this is shown
in the recruiting that has taken place in the Big Ten over the last couple 
years.  I 
   It seems as since Michigan could not win it with the 'FAB 5', blue chippers
have opted for the ACC, Big East, and the SEC.  It is sad to say but it looks
as if it were not for the 'General', the Big Ten would be ordinary.
jep
response 11 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 02:07 UTC 1995

        This is the first time since I began watching college basketball, in
Earvin Johnson's freshman year at Michigan State, that the Big Ten hasn't
had a team in the Top Ten, and that they've only had 2 in the Top 25.
It's amusing that nearly the whole Big Ten is still listed in the honorable
mention section.  Several of those teams will end the season in the Top
25, I'll bet.
        The Big Ten isn't the top conference this year, there are several
others which are better.  I've never said that about the Big Ten before.
I don't expect to be saying it next year.  But this is this year.
        I still enjoy watching the Big Ten.  It's fortunate for me, this
year, that I'm a Michigan State fan first and foremost; the other teams
are doing worse and don't look that interesting in the national picture.
I am a fan of the entire conference, though.  I've seen such wonderful
basketball come out of the Big Ten for several years now.  I can take one
bad year.  And I still predict someone from the conference will make it
into the Final Four, even this year.
dbran
response 12 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 01:25 UTC 1995

I agree with Tony.  Kentucky RULES! 
dhoya
response 13 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 02:17 UTC 1995

I would like to know what you all think of the freshman Allen Iverson of the
MIGHTY Georgetown Hoyas?
jep
response 14 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 02:30 UTC 1995

        I haven't seen him play.  I always root against Georgetown, because
John Thompson coaches his players to injure those on the other team if
they can, and I cannot respect that kind of basketball.  Go all out for
the basketball, that's fine, but go for someone else's knee, that's not
sports.  Not basketball, anyway.  It might be fine in karate.

        I was flabbergasted to notice that Michigan State dropped a place in
the polls this week, to #12, after soundly beating Northwestern and weakly
beating Michigan (at Crisler!).  This was just purely a sign of the lack of
respect for the Big Ten this year.  The lack of respect is deserved, the
Big Ten is weak overall, but I expected MSU to crack the top 10 this
week.  I mean, come on, Georgetown got nabbed by unranked Villanova and
remained at #10 (same place as last week)?
        Well, admittedly Georgetown is playing a tougher schedule than MSU,
and has a better record.
bjt
response 15 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 15:55 UTC 1995

Right again, jep.  AP Poll:  10. Michigan State (!)
spartan
response 16 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 17:48 UTC 1995

Shawn Respert is God.  That's all I have to say.
jep
response 17 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 05:42 UTC 1995

        Hmm.  I wouldn't go quite that far.  However, his ability to turn on
his talent, and dominate a game when necessary, does make him the best
shooting guard in college basketball this year.  His willingness to pass
the ball to teammates, even in clutch situations when everyone *expects*
him to shoot it himself (Eric Snow at the end of one game, Damon Beathea
at the end of the next one) show him as an extremely strong team player,
as well.  Though MSU is only ranked #12 (or #10) at this time, if Eric
Snow continues to be a good scorer, and if Jamie Feick can continue his
strong play, I think State will be ranked quite a bit higher by the end
of the season, and could do very well in the NCAA tournament.
spartan
response 18 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 18:19 UTC 1995

Okay, he's not God.  But he's definitely worth all the praise that's been 
heaped on him lately.  When he came out in the 2nd half against Michigan
after scoring only 3 points in the whole 1st half, and then proceeded to 
turn in an all-universe performance, I know of quite a few people who were
filled with a sort of humble awe, including myself.
dhoya
response 19 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 26 16:57 UTC 1995

jep, I must totally disagree with you on your comment about Georgetown
basketball.  Although I am only 23, I have been a faithly fan of John Thompson
and his coaching style since 1982 (Patrick Ewing's freshman year).  I
personally think that you have done like a lot of individuals that only hear
about the negative about the Hoyas.  I think you have confussed a stingy
defense with thuggish play.  And it is not surprising to hear the previous
comment about Mr. Thompson,but it stuns me even more that people never mention
that John Thompson has the highest graduating rating of any active coach when
it comes to him graduating his seniors.  However, people will continue to only
look at the Hoya's 'D' as dirty play.  That's a shame. Maybe people do not
understand or are they just ignorant?
jep
response 20 of 61: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 15:00 UTC 1995

        John Thompson is a tireless supporter of inner city kids, and an
opponent of academic standards for athletes because it hurts disadvantaged
kids.  I admire his principles, though I don't agree with his stand.  I
don't think it helps overall to admit kids to college when they cannot
handle the workload, or to give students degrees they haven't earned.  But
John Thompson has a different perspective than my own.  I respect his
views.
        He's also one of the 10 most knowledgeable college basketball coaches,
in my opinion, which is really saying something.  He's a really great
teacher.  He helps a lot of inner city kids.
        It's as a basketball coach that I don't like him.  I've seen opposing
players get hurt because they were playing Georgetown, hurt because it's
Georgetown's style of play to try to injure other players.  I like
physical basketball; the Big Ten plays strong physical basketball, more so
than the average conference, with plenty of bumping and pushing and diving
for the ball.  That's legitimate.  Going for someone's knee to take him
out of the game -- I've seen it happen, but I've never heard another coach
but John Thompson defend it.  It's not legitimate basketball.
albaugh
response 21 of 61: Mark Unseen   Feb 11 09:21 UTC 1995

John Thompson has been a winner, but he's the last US coach to not win the
olympics with college players, and coupled with Georgetown's "attitude" made
him my most despised coach, until John Chaney came along and tried to beat
U-M in the NCAA's with deliberate thuggery.  Thankfully U-M terminated
Temple's mediocre teams - why were they even in the tournament?! - 2 years
in a row, and Indiana did us that favor last year.
dhoya
response 22 of 61: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 06:35 UTC 1995

I am sorry that you feel that Georgetown's "attitutde" make Coach Thompson
despised by you.  But if you think about it or used some common senese about 
Georgetown's attitude, it is the exact same attitude of the American people.
So it may be that you despise yourself.  Further more, although Coach
Thompson was the last coach to lose in the Olympics, you must remember or 
have forgotten that it was our boys (college players) competing against their
men (the world's professional players).  Charles Barkley himself was quoted as
saying that our college players are noot experienced enough to compete on the
level that the other world professionals compete on.  So should we blame
Coach Thompson, I THINK NOT!!!
jep
response 23 of 61: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 06:18 UTC 1995

        Huh.  Well.  Quoting Charles Barkley is certainly a *unique* way to
support an argument.  Or perhaps I should describe it as quaint.  Charles
Barkley, who intends to go into politics when he finishes his NBA career,
was quoted as saying he thought it was an easier way to steal more money
than to go into business.
        For myself, I don't fault Thompson for losing the Olympics.  He
played the game on even terms.  Sending the NBA to face the rest of the
world has turned Olympic basketball into a farce.  An entertaining farce,
but certainly not a sports contest.
        As far as John Thompson being a captain of the industry of college
basketball... at it's best, college basketball is a game of immense skill
and beauty, with very good athletes competing against one another for the
joy of performing their skills against one another.  At it's worst, it is
coached by John Thompson, and is neither fun nor beautiful.
albaugh
response 24 of 61: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 06:43 UTC 1995

I knew something(one) was missing:  What became of Olivier Saint-Jean on the
U-M basketball team?  He had some kind of pre-season knee injury, but
surprised coaches by pushing his rehabilitation to the point where he
appeared in some early-season games in Hawaii.  Since those games, I've
neither seen nor heard hide nor hair of him.  Did he reinjure his knee?
Is he therefore out for the season?  Did he transfer?  Was he released from
the team for some other reason?  Especially with the injury to freshman
Jerrod Ward, they could use Olivier's rebounding & hustle... 
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