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tpryan
The deer hunter Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:03 UTC 2001

        Ah, Michigan Deer Hunting season!  Tell us your stories
of your trip, camp and hunt.  And what did you shot?
193 responses total.
rcurl
response 1 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:22 UTC 2001

Don't forget the whiskey.
mooncat
response 2 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:28 UTC 2001

For da yoopers they bring the beer, not the whiskey, okay?
jep
response 3 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:29 UTC 2001

This item is linked as #147 in the autumn 2001 Agora and #115 in the 
sports conference.
edina
response 4 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:31 UTC 2001

If someone gets a deer, let me know - I love venison.
remmers
response 5 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:43 UTC 2001

I'm an avid non-hunter, but my brother-in-law is currently up
north on a deer hunting expedition with some buddies from work.
If they have any success, you'll read it here first.
rcurl
response 6 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 20:49 UTC 2001

Re #2: not the Trolls. 
danr
response 7 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 22:47 UTC 2001

I love whiskey, but can't see going out to shoot deer to drink some.
senna
response 8 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 23:08 UTC 2001

I'm not a big fan of hunting, but upon further review, I think it's not that
bad of an idea, particularly with a large deer herd in Michigan.
rcurl
response 9 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 23:35 UTC 2001

The large deer herd in Michigan is maintained artificially - for the
hunters. Don't think of hunting as a means to control the deer herd.  It
would be much cheaper to just do nothing. Nature would take care of the
problem (eventually). 

senna
response 10 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 01:33 UTC 2001

Ah, but nature isn't always very healthy.  Too many deer, and suddenly disease
and famine wip out much larger proportions than is healthy.  How is the herd
artificially maintained?
keesan
response 11 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 01:46 UTC 2001

From what I have read, people are hired to go out and reduce the herd size
around here so as to keep them out of suburban yards.  There is a shortage
of natural predators.
other
response 12 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 02:39 UTC 2001

Hunting lets all those testosterone poisoned guys in the area have a safe 
outlet for their shootin' and killin' urges so we can fill the jails with 
hippy longhaired druggies instead of them.
janc
response 13 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 02:47 UTC 2001

Curious that so few other species seem to need hunting to control them. 
Rabbits, squirrels, skunks, opposums, raccoons.  They've all had their natural
preditors much reduced, and yet the lack of significant hunting hasn't lead
to any natural disaster.  Deer must be special somehow.
mdw
response 14 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 04:41 UTC 2001

Raccoons commit suicide by car.
richard
response 15 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 05:32 UTC 2001

aw sheesh, I saw an item titled "the deer hunter" and I thought it was an
item about that great michael cimino late 70's movie, one of the great
vietnam movies, starring robert deniro as the deer hunter.  Deniro is 
an underacheiver whose only talent seems to be shooting deer.  The movie
tells the story of how he and his best friends christopher walken, meryl
streep, and john cazale react and have their lives changed by the war.  a
great film.
carson
response 16 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 05:33 UTC 2001

re #13:  For one, they are larger, and require more food.  I also have
         heard that venison is quite tasty, although not to my palate.
rcurl
response 17 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 06:19 UTC 2001

Re #10: the herd size is artificially maintained way above the natural
carrying capacity by widespread creation of "deer opening" in the state
forests. The forest is clear-cut in patches so there is always lots of
fresh tasty browse for the deer. This clear cutting is above and beyond
the requirements of forestry. If the forest were allowed to mature, and
only cut as required for wood products, the deer habitat and food supply
would shrink and the herd would shrink with it. 

I don't understand "suddenly disease and famine wip out much larger
proportions than is healthy". That's what you want, in order to obtain a
deer herd in balance with the environment.

The maintenance of the Michigan deer herd for hunters causes a
considerable decrease in the habitat available for a more diverse fauna
(and flora). Also, have you observed the "deer browse line"  in Michigan
woods? Eveything is eaten as high as the deer can reach, and wildflowers
and shrubs are nearly eliminated over immense areas. 

gelinas
response 18 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 06:46 UTC 2001

Small game is hunted too, just not as noticeably:  It's not much fun to hang
a bunch of squirrels from a pole to see who got the largest one.
keesan
response 19 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 14:12 UTC 2001

My neighbors are always putting out traps to get rid of unwanted pests such
as raccoons, skunks, groundhogs and opposums, which eat gardens.  It does not
seem to be legal to put out traps for deer.  As I said, no natural predators.
tpryan
response 20 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 14:46 UTC 2001

        Well, no wolf pack to take down some deer near here.
orinoco
response 21 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 19:47 UTC 2001

I'm liking the idea of a live trap for deer.  
rcurl
response 22 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 22:02 UTC 2001

You dig a hole and cover it with first thin limbs and then tall grass...
saw it in the movies last night.....
gull
response 23 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 00:24 UTC 2001

Re #17: The cost of this is tens of thousands of car-deer collisions a year. 
But hey, it keeps the hunters happy.
keesan
response 24 of 193: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 00:49 UTC 2001

Perhaps the hunters could be hired to gun down all the cars and then the deer
would not be damaged.
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