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phenix
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when sex games attack
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Jan 31 15:29 UTC 2003 |
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0301/030131roulette.html
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jaklumen
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response 1 of 30:
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Feb 2 10:56 UTC 2003 |
This is your favorite website, isn't it, Greg?
The more articles I see, the more jazz's statement seems to ring true..
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phenix
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response 2 of 30:
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Feb 2 22:20 UTC 2003 |
hey, it's gettnig you people to respond
and right now my favorite website is www.planetside.info
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jaklumen
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response 3 of 30:
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Feb 3 09:08 UTC 2003 |
Well, it just makes me wonder if you have an obsession with Japanese
women and/or their sexuality. Also brings images of giggling Japanese
schoolgirls to mind.
Russian Sex Roulette? Is Japanese sexuality this repressed that
schoolgirls are blantantly exposing themselves to STDs? This sounds
like an AIDS epidemic waiting to happen..
What also seems especially worrisome is they quote someone saying it's
addictive.
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phenix
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response 4 of 30:
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Feb 3 13:48 UTC 2003 |
eh, i might have yellow fever, but no worries.
hey, american girls ar ejust as bad, but our religious right want's them
to remain ignorant and the media doesn't cover it.
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jaklumen
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response 5 of 30:
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Feb 6 06:29 UTC 2003 |
Oh, I don't doubt it in some cases-- I've been told STD's run pretty
rampant on college campuses. Correct me if I'm wrong, though, but I
would figure most Americans would be smart enough to wear a condom.
If that's not the case, the CDC and health depts. across the nation
maybe need to rethink this.
On the other hand, I don't think the religious right is as oppressive
as many people really want to believe; most people are pretty
moderate. No, I think the problem is people simply aren't willing to
own up to the problem, not that the right is claiming abstinence is
the only option and is suppressing information on birth control and
barrier methods.
The strange reality is that we are a sex obsessed but a touch deprived
society.
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jazz
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response 6 of 30:
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Feb 6 14:55 UTC 2003 |
It's not that strange. We really are quite conservative and inhibited
when compared to most of Europe.
And the religious right *IS* supressing information on birth control,
and especially, abortion. It's unconscionable. Whether you agree with Roe
v. Wade or not, the tactics that the right has used - denying funding to
hospitals that may incidentally also perform abortions, and making it illegal
to discuss a currently legal practice - are completely underhanded.
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jmsaul
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response 7 of 30:
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Feb 7 02:30 UTC 2003 |
Hang on. The religious right absolutely *is* trying to suppress information
on birth control and barrier methods. They push to have only abstinence
taught in the schools, for example.
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jazz
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response 8 of 30:
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Feb 7 14:40 UTC 2003 |
The kids don't take that any more seriously than they took DARE,
either. I suppose it's something of a mystery to the right as to when
moralizing to children stopped working.
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phenix
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response 9 of 30:
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Feb 7 18:15 UTC 2003 |
basically kids are gonna fuck, at least give em the abilty to survive it
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gizlnort
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response 10 of 30:
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Feb 7 21:41 UTC 2003 |
I could help the right with that question, moralizing to kids stopped working
when you did not have the stick of outcasting members or flogging them for
deviating. (I know crude generalization but there it is.) However what I
am curious about is does the righ extend that lack of knowledge on birth
control to the marraige bed, is it sex for copulation only or once married
are you finally allowed, to the right, sex for pleasure?
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jmsaul
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response 11 of 30:
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Feb 8 05:12 UTC 2003 |
Pull the other one. It didn't work then either.
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jaklumen
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response 12 of 30:
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Feb 9 03:58 UTC 2003 |
resp:9 No. That kind of blanket statement simply is not true.
Not all kids are going to fuck. That kind of assumption says they are
nothing but animals and can't rise above base instinct.
resp:7 It would be nice if there was a happy medium somewhere,
because abstinence is *not* generally talked about in most sex ed
classes today.
It's fine to talk about birth control and STDs.. but is anyone really
telling kids *what* they're getting into when they have sex? The
emotional bonding that occurs? All the other unpleasant bodily
functions that can happen during sex-- farting, seminal fluid sliding
down your leg, etc., etc.? Is this a decision that can be made
independently of peer pressure?
resp:10 It depends on who you talk to. I think it's probably an
outdated notion. Now.. I do know that some people of conservative
faiths don't believe in birth control, including some of my own.
-but- I'm sure many would agree that sex is for deeping the marriage
bond as well as procreative purposes, and back again.. I mean, for
myself, I love my wife even more after having had a child. Does that
make sense?
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polytarp
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response 13 of 30:
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Feb 9 18:39 UTC 2003 |
Lelande sure was right about you, J. Ack. Lumen.
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jaklumen
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response 14 of 30:
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Feb 10 03:08 UTC 2003 |
No one asked you, Phillie boy.
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michaela
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response 15 of 30:
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Feb 10 03:31 UTC 2003 |
Re #12 - teaching abstinence in a sex ed class is one of those "duh" things.
Every kid knows that they can either have sex or not have sex. Telling them
that they can refuse sex is like telling them they can refuse to eat a certain
food. They're just going to say, "Um, yeah...I KNOW that..."
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cyklone
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response 16 of 30:
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Feb 10 03:35 UTC 2003 |
What kids really need are lessons in how to say no. Just telling them
abstinence works is not enough.
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polytarp
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response 17 of 30:
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Feb 10 21:06 UTC 2003 |
14; and? Did anyone ask you if someone asked me to ask you to say hi, why
are you such a jerk?
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michaela
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response 18 of 30:
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Feb 12 05:06 UTC 2003 |
Re #16 - my parents never taught me that. The schools never taught me that.
I still knew 'how to say no'. I simply said, "Don't push me. I'm not ready
for that." When he laughed and kept touching me, I slapped him hard and
walked home.
I was not a tough person. I was, at that time, a fragile, scared,
old-fashioned, overly-sensitive Catholic girl in the 10th grade. It's not
that they don't know how to say no...they're just scared to say no. Teaching
abstinence will not remove that fear.
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cyklone
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response 19 of 30:
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Feb 12 14:27 UTC 2003 |
Are you just extrapolating from your own experience and generalizing to
the teen population in general? Did you even understand my point? Or are
you agreeing with me when I said "Just telling them abstinence works is
not enough."? My point is that there *are* ways to teach teens to overcome
the fear you mentioned.
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jazz
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response 20 of 30:
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Feb 12 14:29 UTC 2003 |
By the time children reach adolescence, they're quite capable of saying
"no" already. Perhaps not in the face of strong peer pressure, but adults
are no different in that regard. What adolescents would need is reasons,
reasons that make sense in their value systems and world views, to say no,
which are generally lacking.
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phenix
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response 21 of 30:
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Feb 12 16:45 UTC 2003 |
you're going to die from some invisible threat 10 years from now is usually
not enough either.
there need to be alternatives, frank and open discussions of sexuality
and removing the "taboo" nature of the act...nothing screams to teens
"the ore they say no the more you should do it" like arbitrary taboo
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cyklone
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response 22 of 30:
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Feb 12 21:26 UTC 2003 |
I'm still not sure if we're all saying the same thing or not. It seems to me
that everyone agrees teens know how to vocalize the word "no." What we may
not all agree on is why they don't utter the words more often or why they back
down after uttering them.
I'm not sure I agree with #20 if you are saying teens lack sufficient
reasons to say no. Lots of cowards know what they really *want* to do
(and why), even as they do something else. I think it is the same for many
teens.
What I've read and heard from people who do these types of things is that
kids lack the skills to fend off peer pressure. Role-playing seems to be
an effective means for them to actually practice what it is they want to
do and say.
So if most of you are saying teens just need better reasons to say no, I
disagree. I think they deserve more credit than they're being given for
already having developed some clear reasons. I think they just need better
techniques to stand firm.
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i
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response 23 of 30:
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Feb 13 03:14 UTC 2003 |
If the stupid "How to Say No", "How to put a condom on a banana", etc.
lessons are actually important to 1 teen in 25, is it worth wasting the
time of the other 24? Should there be some way to "test out" of a sex-
uality education class?
(How many insecure, immature, under-informed, conformance-happy, think-
they're-immortal teens really benefit from those classes anyway? Does
anyone try to look at the hoped-for benefits?)
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cyklone
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response 24 of 30:
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Feb 13 03:51 UTC 2003 |
Role playing or dramatization are not just simple "How to Say No" lessons.
And apparently, quite a few kids benefit from those methods.
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