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rcurl
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Liquid biofuels - ethanol, biodiesel, etc.
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Feb 13 19:54 UTC 2006 |
A new report in SCIENCE evaluates efficiencies and greenhouse gas
emissions for fuel ethanol (Farrell et al, 27 January 2006, pp 506-508).
It concludes that there is a net energy yield for ethanol from corn. The
main correction to a previous study that found negative energy yield was
the inclusion of the displacement of energy required for coproduct
production of oil and animal feed. The details of their calculations are
available separately online.
The estimate for net energy yield for ethanol production today is about
+4.7 megajoules per liter (MK/L), compared to a LHV for ethanol (vapor) of
21.5 MJ/L (my estimate). Interestingly the "fossil" energy required for
producing the ethanol is distributed about 5% from petroleum products, 30%
from natural gas, 40% from coal (largely for generating electricity) and
4% "other". (Why these don't add up to 100% is not explained; it may be
because the difference is non-fossil fuel sources, although "other"
includes nuclear and hydro- electricity generation.)
They do point out that ethanol production from cellulose is much less
energy dependent, and estimate a net energy yield of about 23 MJ/L. (I do
not know why this is larger than my estimate of the LHV for ethanol. It
may be just a matter of data sources for heats of formation, and choice of
standard states.)
The rather low energy yield of 4.7 MJ/L (only about 22% of the LHV) from
corn is because the starch that is hydrolyzable to sugars for fermentation
is such a small fraction of the mass processed. This value suggests that
ethanol as fuel would be much more expensive than petroleum for the same
energy yield. Current pronouncements of the economics of ethanol fuel from
corn usually do not mention the very large subsidies for ethanol
production.
There currently are no efficient processes for the conversion of cellulose
to ethanol but if it could be invented the raw materials could be used
almost in their entirety.
Cellulose conversion by the overall reaction
C6H10O5 + H2O = 2 C2H5OH + 2 CO2
certainly does not occur spontaneously although it does look exothermic.
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gull
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response 1 of 40:
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Feb 14 01:41 UTC 2006 |
Corn obviously isn't the best source for ethanol, and soybeans
obviously aren't the best source for biodiesel. Those feedstocks were
chosen for entirely political reasons.
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rcurl
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response 2 of 40:
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Feb 14 07:38 UTC 2006 |
I made a mininterpretation of the paper in #0 in the statement those
percentages "don't add up to 100% is not explained". They shouldn't. What
those percentages are are the percentage of the energy to produce 1 MJ of
ethanol required from each of those sources. They add up to 79% or 0.79 MJ
external energy input to produce 1 MJ equivalent of ethanol. This is why
the Net Energy produced is 4.7 MJ/L rather than the 21.5 MJ/L LHV of
ethanol.
What is a better source for bioethanol than corn, given current
technology, in terms of net energy yield? Economics is a separate
question, not addressed in this paper.
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keesan
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response 3 of 40:
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Feb 14 13:31 UTC 2006 |
Newsprint? Nonrecyclable plastics? Old road surfaces? Old tires?
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rcurl
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Feb 14 18:49 UTC 2006 |
Ethanol cannot be produced from any of those materials with a positive
energy efficiency.
I just read in the paper yesterday about a research project at MSU for
producing ethanol from cellulose (newsprint, if you wish, or any other
plant material). They were very encouraged a looking forward to
success....while admitting that they weren't able to do it yet. This is
one of those "holy grails" of energy research, along with "burning"
methane directly to methanol, which would revolutionize our energy
structure.
Here's another similar rosy report:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/05/genetically_eng.php
No analysis of energy efficiency is given.
And another:
http://www.fiveregionsofthefuture.com/region/entries/EthanolFromWood
No analysis of energy efficiency is given.
And another:
http://www.esf.edu/newspubs/news/2005/01.18.ethanol.htm
No analysis of energy efficiency is given.
All of these involve the hydrolysis of cellulose to sugars and then the
classic fermentation to ethanol, using yeasts or the yeast enzymes
produced by genetic engineering of bacteria.
The problem is that the hydrolysis of cellulose is more difficult than of
starch. The route to ethanol from corn is via the hydrolysis of starch.
What makes this especially interesting is that starch and cellulose are
chemically *almost* alike. Both are polymers of isomers of glucose with
the empirical formula [C6H10O5]n. The difference is that starch is a
polymer of a-d(+)glucose and cellulose of b-d(+)glucose, which are
sterioisomers. Evolution took advantage of the extreme differences in the
chemical susceptibility of the polymers to hydrolysis to use starches for
heribvore food and cellulose for supporting plants. All this has been
known for centuries. If there were any easy way to hydrolyze cellulose it
would have been done long ago because then all cellulose would be useful
for food (and viscose rayon would not have been possible). The weird
symbiotic bacteria of termites can do it, but this has not been translated
into a sufficiently efficient industrial process.
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keesan
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response 5 of 40:
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Feb 14 21:02 UTC 2006 |
Hire some termites or cows.
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rcurl
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response 6 of 40:
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Feb 14 21:16 UTC 2006 |
Cows can't digest cellulose either. Look at their pies.
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keesan
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response 7 of 40:
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Feb 15 03:12 UTC 2006 |
The microbes in them digest a lot of the cellulose for them.
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rcurl
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response 8 of 40:
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Feb 15 07:21 UTC 2006 |
I looked into it, and I stand corrected. However I found a lot of
misinformation or missing information on web sites. Starches, which cows
digest even more readily than cellulose, was not mentioned on any site I
looked at. One said digestion of cellulose produced amino acids. The
digestion of cellulose is by anaerobic bacteria, and also produces methane.
That is pretty potent digestion.
In any case, no way has yet been found to do it outside a cow (or termite)
economically with high energy efficiency. (It is well known that cows
don't know how to do it either.)
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keesan
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Feb 15 17:46 UTC 2006 |
I once translated an article about adding sawdust to cow feed, and also to
human bread. It rose better and turned a nice brown and was lower in calories
and higher in fiber. I wonder if it also generated methane. I think the
sawmills were behind this research.
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rcurl
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Feb 15 20:59 UTC 2006 |
Methane is produced in the anaerobic bacterial digestion of carbohydrates.
I'd say that the use of sawdust is as an essentially chemically inert
filler that modifies the physical properties of the recipe.
I recall an example of the inefficiency of the cow. I once visited a cave
into which a stream flowed and cows liked to shelter in the large entrance
on hot days. They of course added a lot of undigested cellulosic material
to the stream. As one progressed into the cave the water got up to chest
high and one disturbed the bottom sediments, where the cow excrement
continued to ferment, releasing bubbles of methane. At the time we were
using carbide lights (with open flames) and could reach ahead and ignite
those methane bubbles with most entertaining flashes of flame.
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rcurl
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Feb 21 16:48 UTC 2006 |
Thinking further about alternative liquid fuels from cellulose - there is
no reason to think only of ethanol, even though technology for producing
ethanol from sugars for beverages is an established technology. For energy
*any* liquid fuel product would be desirable and perhaps ethanol is not
the most economic product. Here is a site for a course that described
current industrial fermentation processes and their products.
http://www.limab.ugent.be/ind_fermentations.htm
It seems to me that while Bush is seeming to push the niche energy
alternatives of photocells and hydrogen, the problem of large scale
production of a non-fossil liquid fuel is not receiving the attention it
deserves. The conversion of cellulose to a liquid fuel holds the promise
of a future secure liquid fuel industry just as important as fusion power
promises electric energy independence. Cellulose conversion technology
should receive at least the same or greater investment as fusion research
has received.
Currently cellulose conversion is being supported by small projects at a
number of institutions, but there is not yet a mandate to move this work
to the forefront of national alternative energy policy.
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nharmon
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Apr 27 01:26 UTC 2006 |
Tonight at the gas station in Ida, Michigan (there is only one) I found
soydiesel for $2.99/gal. Regular diesel was $2.92/gal.
Bush made a speach about alternative fuels a few days ago and talked
about sugarcane being grown in Hawaii and then turned into ethanol.
Which was interesting because I read a few months ago about sugarcane
and pineapple industries moving out of Hawaii and over to India.
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happyboy
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Apr 27 04:47 UTC 2006 |
OOPS! FUCKIN FREE MARKET!!!
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rcurl
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response 14 of 40:
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Apr 27 05:24 UTC 2006 |
I heard Bush's speech. He had a bit in his script on cellulosic ethanol,
but it was clear he didn't know what he was reading. Nevertheless, someone
put it into his script, which is a slightly encouraging sign. He did not
put forward any suggestion to significantly expand research in
cellulose-derived liquid fuels, still apparently thinking we can drill our
way out of the "oil peak".
He did mention the very large subsidies in research and production that
ethanol from corn receives (which doesn't much support the production of
ethanol as fuel - what few admit is that if the ethanol were produced
using energy *only* from the ethanol produced itself - the industry would
disappear).
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gull
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Apr 28 02:37 UTC 2006 |
Lately the energy seems to be coming from coal and natural gas.
I can see ethanol being viable if they can come up with a good source
for the energy needed to produce it. If that energy is, itself, coming
from renewable sources, it might make sense. If it's just a round-about
way to convert natural gas into a vehicle fuel it's kind of pointless.
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tod
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Apr 28 16:42 UTC 2006 |
Is this a good analogy?
Oil=stocks of 1929
Energy infrastructures=Banks of 1929
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nharmon
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Apr 28 17:01 UTC 2006 |
No, because the Great Depression did not cause us to go about looking
for alternatives to money.
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tod
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Apr 28 17:57 UTC 2006 |
Where did I say "money"?
What are you talking about?
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nharmon
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Apr 28 18:02 UTC 2006 |
Running out of oil has prompted us to change our energy source. This is
a lot different from managing the same energy source, which would be a
better analogy fit with the great depression.
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tod
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Apr 28 18:34 UTC 2006 |
You think we're going to stop using oil overnight? Our entire civilization
relies on it too heavily.
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nharmon
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Apr 28 18:38 UTC 2006 |
I know what you're getting at, but just because both peak oil and stock
market bubbles create economic depressions....I don't see why an
analogy can be made.
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tod
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Apr 28 18:41 UTC 2006 |
The analogy points to the fact that the energy market is unregulated. The
oil companies are steamrolling over consumers. The fight just to be a
customer has already started.
Here, check this tidbit out..
Russia feels threatened by European Union moves to curtail its role in
Europe's energy markets and has no choice but to seek other buyers, President
Vladimir Putin said.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/060427/1/40ede.html
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gull
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May 12 20:51 UTC 2006 |
Brazil's sugarcane-based ethanol production is apparently several times
more energy-efficient than the way we produce it from corn in the U.S.,
partly because they use stalks and other waste materials to provide the
heat for the process. (U.S. plants use coal or natural gas.) The
downside is the acreage needed is considerably higher.
I think it's likely we won't see any major steps forward in ethanol
production efficiency until we can pry the corn lobby's fingers off it.
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happyboy
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response 24 of 40:
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May 12 21:11 UTC 2006 |
i gotcher corn lobby hangin, collegeboy!
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