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chris
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My Philosopy
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Apr 26 22:37 UTC 1993 |
1 - Universal turth is a myth. Everyone has their own
religion. I'll search until I find what works for me.
2 - Love is a myth. People do "kind" things for one of three
reasons: they expect something in return, they do it to
make themselves feel good, of they'er just playin' with
your head. When someone says they love you, they mean "I
love what you do for me." or "I love the way you make me
feel." There is no committment anymore.....look at the
divorce rate in America.
3 - Lasting happiness is a myth. One can enjoy isolated
things for a certain time, but eventually, happiness gets
crushed under the weight of reality.
4 - Forgiveness is a myth. The only reason a person will
"forgive" another is to maintain the relationship they
have with that person. The only reason they wish to
maintain that relationship is to keep recieving whatever
it is they desire from that person.
I haven't always felt this way, and I don't know that I
always will, but for now, this philosophy of mine seems to
explain a lot of things. Some of you are probably jumping up
and down and screaming, "NO!! that's not true!" That's fine,
that's your opinion. This is MY truth, not necessarily
yours. I understand that this is a pretty pessemistic
lotlook, but life, experiences, and observation have taught
me these things. I guess it's hard to have a good attitude
when things aren't good. I suppose that's why point three of
my philosophy makes sense to me.
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danr
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response 1 of 71:
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Apr 27 01:11 UTC 1993 |
In contrast to my response in engima, a serious response follows:
#1. Not sure about this. My gut feeling is that all religions and
philosophies point to the "truth." The "real truth" cannot be
explained with words.
#2,4. I think you're way off base here. Love is hard work, which is
why so few people do it, but some people *do* work at it.
#3. That's the way the world works. You have moments of happiness and
moments of sadness. Instead of thinking that reality crushes
happiness, think of it as a big wheel that swings round and round.
Accept happiness when you have it and sadness when it comes your way.
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robh
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response 2 of 71:
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Apr 27 01:44 UTC 1993 |
Re Point 2 - Actually, I'm kind of amazed at how many people actually
stay together for so long. That's probably just me.
Re Point 3 - "The weight of reality"? How much does it weigh? Wait,
reality exists in deep space (I think), so it should really be "the
mass of reality". No, I promised I'd keep the silly responses in
enigma.
I too used to think that "reality" was an evil thing which only wanted
to destroy me, slowly and painfully. I changed my attitude, and hey
presto, reality became a decent place to be. Not perfect, but if reality
were perfect, I'd get bored really quickly. >8)
Sadly, this does remind me of how I felt just a few years ago. You can
change it if you want, believe me. (Or am I just saying that because I
want sometihng from you? Hmm...)
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mythago
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response 3 of 71:
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Apr 28 07:39 UTC 1993 |
Sounds like somebody just had a nasty breakup...
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weary
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response 4 of 71:
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May 5 00:51 UTC 1993 |
What's your point, Chris?
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arthur
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response 5 of 71:
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May 5 02:56 UTC 1993 |
Re: #3 I had a difficult time in a long-term relationship with
someone because she believed as you do, and I believed (and still
do) the opposite. I have been basically happy almost all my
life. Circumstances made me unhappy from time to time, sometimes
for more than a year, but reality for me is basically a happy
thing.
Forgiveness is not a myth. I forgave the person in that
relationship not to continue the relationship (which was
over, over, over), but because 1) the hurts given were a result
of deep-seated problems in her past, not from malice and
2) because you have trouble putting pain behind you if you
do not forgive the person who gives it to you. Or at least,
I do.
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remmers
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response 6 of 71:
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May 5 11:57 UTC 1993 |
Re #5, reason (2): Indeed. Forgiveness is a way of being kind to
yourself, and does not mean that you want anything more from the
forgivee (or that you even want to see them again).
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embu
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response 7 of 71:
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Jun 9 21:08 UTC 1993 |
Alright, here we go....
I pretty much agree with #1, because truth is very subjective. However,
this doesn't mean that there isn't a reality or anything, just that
probably every single person has different ideas of what the true reality
or true ANYTHING is. But I think that that's a good thing, not bad. If
everyone believed in the same thing life would be rather boring, I think-
not enough arguments to go round...;)
With #2, I'm just confused as to what your definition of "love" is anyhow.
Do you think that love would only be true if when they said, "I love you",
they really meant "I love what I do for you, even though it makes me feel
like ***? That would be pretty idiotic. Love is liking the way the other
person makes you feel, but because you know that you make them feel good
too. Otherwise it would be a very one-way love. Perhaps I'm speaking
through the eyes of an innocent, but I don't think that you should go so
far as to make such a sweeping generalization. Especially the divorce rate
proof, which makes no sense at all. Instead of thinking of all those
people who discovered that they didn't have as much love for each other as
they once thought, think of all those people who are still married and
still love each other!
#3 is a bit silly. Start being happy with the reality that won't crush
you. Some things really last, and if you love them, then you have something
that will create lasting happiness. Or start being happy about being alive.
That'll last. It's fun, too...
I really don't know about #4. I suppose I don't know enough about grudges
or forgiving to say anything, though my gut feeling is that I don't
agree with it at all...It seems to me that forgiving is telling someone
that you don't mind if they make hurtful mistakes once in a while. I just
don't want to feel angry for a long time, since I find that it doesn't help
anything and you feel stupid for wasting your time like that afterwards,
but I will probably be wary of that person for a while after, just not mad
at them but taking the mistake into account when I think of them. ba
sically agreeing with comment #5, I suppose!
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czar
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response 8 of 71:
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Feb 7 02:13 UTC 1994 |
Actually, quite a bit of the literature in evolutionary biology
and sociobiology focuses on the very arguments this item presented.
It may really be so that people behave for such instinctive
and selfish reasons and only rationalize their actions, or it
may not. Let's hope not.
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yagi
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response 9 of 71:
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Feb 19 05:20 UTC 1994 |
the goat marvels at her earlier certainty .......
If you believe in a certain reality, are other people's realities
wrong?
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carson
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response 10 of 71:
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Feb 25 06:36 UTC 1994 |
I wonder if chris has changed his mind yet...
1) I'd agree with it if it didn't contradict itself. Seeing as it
does, I'll politely ignore the "no universal truth" part and
accept that everyone has to find their own unique beliefs, assuming
that's what's meant by "religion".
2) If love *is* a myth, then what's your myth like?
3) What's lasting happiness to you? I'd rather believe that "nothing
lasts forever" myself, but that's all relative and somewhat
changable from one moment to the next. Maybe the happiness is always
there, but we get too caught up in the unhappiness at times to
realize it.
4) I'm missing the point, unless you're portraying forgiveness in
a *negative* way. As it is, you're dead on target, and that doesn't
make forgiveness a myth. What's your myth of forgiveness like?
Gee. Maybe I'm just too cheery these days...
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d
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response 11 of 71:
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Mar 7 20:59 UTC 1994 |
Huh Huh Huh
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vidar
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response 12 of 71:
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Mar 8 01:43 UTC 1994 |
AGENT 004 TO AGENT CARSON: D IS A LOON
REQUEST: TERMINATION
If love is a myth (which it is not), is getting your heart broken a myth?
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vishnu
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response 13 of 71:
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Mar 8 12:31 UTC 1994 |
I think the breaking is part of the.. oh wait, if its a myth? I'm
out of league here. Love is definitely a real thing.
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vidar
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response 14 of 71:
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Mar 8 17:45 UTC 1994 |
Case in point.
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swa
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response 15 of 71:
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May 22 04:59 UTC 1994 |
Re #3: Would you really *want* lasting happiness, without any pain to relieve
it? I sure wouldn't.
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canis
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response 16 of 71:
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May 22 06:46 UTC 1994 |
Re #15 I see what you mean, lasting happiness could get boring ya know.
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vishnu
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response 17 of 71:
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May 22 16:19 UTC 1994 |
But the thing is, you'd be happy and you would
see no need for pain or non-continuity.
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carson
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response 18 of 71:
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May 26 06:14 UTC 1994 |
(I want lasting happiness...)
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canis
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response 19 of 71:
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May 26 16:45 UTC 1994 |
but if was lasting, how would you know it was happiness?
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carson
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response 20 of 71:
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May 26 21:07 UTC 1994 |
(I would know it was happiness because I would smile.)
(I would know it was happiness because I would be filled with mirth.)
(I would know it was happiness because I would be able to share it with
someone special.)
(I would know it was happiness because it wasn't what had been before.)
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canis
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response 21 of 71:
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May 27 13:52 UTC 1994 |
What if you were born with it?
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carson
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response 22 of 71:
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May 29 06:13 UTC 1994 |
(even if you were born with lasting happiness [and I bet there are a few
of those around], you would still know it to be lasting happiness, because
there would be pessimists all over the !@#$ing place telling you to not be
so happy.)
:) :) :)
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canis
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response 23 of 71:
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May 29 14:06 UTC 1994 |
geeze your too joyful for me carson
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carson
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response 24 of 71:
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May 31 04:22 UTC 1994 |
(lasting happiness does that.)
:) :) :)
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