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Gate of sollitude Mark Unseen   Jul 1 20:22 UTC 1999

I have been working on this for a few months on and off. It still seems a
little off from where it should be. Any suggestions?

Gate of Solitude

I stand before the gate 
Afraid to enter the unknown
I look ahead to a lonely fate
Feeling the sadness in which I drown

Must I leave this beautiful, bright place?
Where dreams are lived and lives are dreamt
Must I forget the happiness and love in her fave?
I love, hurt and cry until my heart is bent

What does this new place hold?
A sactuary in a harsh land
Or a deep cavern of despair, forever cold
It could not hold dreams half as grand

I must move into this dark world
With such light behind me how can I see again?
Into this strange forbidding place I am hurled 
Blind as a bat and silent as a man without amends
5 responses total.
lumen
response 1 of 5: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 21:44 UTC 1999

There are some excellent ideas here, and each stanza is well-written, 
but some lack cohesion to each other.  Actually, I see somewhat of a 
pattern-- they begin with a strong, well-expressed idea in the first 
line, but they end somewhat on a tentative and unfinished note on the 
last.  This could work as a personal style, but don't do it on the last 
stanza.  I am wondering if your poem really ends, or means to go on with 
such a sentence in the passive voice.

<lumen has been on a critique kick-- please smile and take my offering 
for what it's worth to you>

btw, I forgot to say welcome to the poetry cf, if you're new here.
It's an exciting place and we'll help you grow and improve with the best 
help we can give :)
pain
response 2 of 5: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 02:49 UTC 1999

Yeah, I know what you are talking about. It doesnt seem quite finished which
is why I have not stopped working on it. I never seem to be able to end them
very effectively.

Yeah, I am new. Thanks.
flem
response 3 of 5: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 15:40 UTC 1999

Writing metered poetry is hard; making it rhyme is harder.  It tends to 
come out feeling unfinished until you work really hard on it.  There is 
hope, however.  

As for *helpful* ideas, the first stanza bothers me.  It seems a little 
more obviously unfinished than the rest.  Here's how I would rework it, 
and why.  As always, you are free to ignore any or all of it. 

    I stand before her outer gate, 
    Afraid to enter my unknown.
    I look ahead: a lonely fate
    Of sadness, where I slowly drown.

Okay, here's why.  I changed "the" to "her" in the first line and "the" 
to "my" in the second because the word "the" is unnecessary filler, IMO. 
 In metered poetry, you have very strictly regulated space to get your 
point across, and every word counts.  "her" and "my" are my attempt at 
shedding some light on where the gate leads from and where the unknown 
is in this poem; it's entirely possible that they are too blunt, too 
unsubtle, but I couldn't think of anything else off the top of my head 
(and really it's your job to add nuance to the poem, not mine).  I added 
the word "outer" to the first line because it had only three feet (one 
"foot" being an iamb, a duh-DUH rhythm, which seems to be the meter you 
use most of the time.  Most people do.) and the other lines in the 
stanza all had four feet.  This isn't strictly necessary; a lot of great 
poetry has been written with lines of mixed length (John Donne comes to 
mind), but it's harder.  Besides, I thought the first line could use 
some flavour.  "outer" may not be the right word here, but again, that's 
your job, not mine.  :)  
  I changed "to" to a colon in the third line, for a couple of reasons. 
First, it makes the rhythm slightly better, to my mind.  It stays within 
the iambic meter, which there seems to be no good reason for leaving, 
here.  Second, it causes a slight pause, signalling both visually and 
rhythmically that the rest of the stanza contains what you see when you 
look ahead.  Note that while I've added punctuation to the ends of the 
rest of the lines in this stanza, there is no punctuation at the end of 
the third line.  I did this deliberately because I feel that, while the 
end of all other lines in this stanza denotes an end of (or at least a 
pause in) a thought, the end of this third line is directly connected to 
the beginning of the fourth.  Putting no punctuation there not only 
signals this fact to the reader, it also is what you would do if you 
were writing this out as prose, which is a pretty good guide to 
punctuation in poetry, IMO.  
  In the fourth line, "of" is a connecting word, helping make the 
transition between lines three and four smooth.  I took out "feeling", 
because 1) it breaks the rhythm, having its first syllable accented 
instead of the second (and I couldn't think of any one-syllable words to 
stick in front of it to fix it), and 2) it's not really necessary to the 
thought.  We know that sadness is something that you feel.  Just about 
everything in poetry is something you feel, and the word "feel" is 
rarely necessary.  Instead, I added the word "slowly" to fill the meter 
back in, choosing that word because it makes the drowning image a little 
stronger and because of the alliteration with sadness.  

(Aside:  this connecting lines business is an important device, IMO, 
that is often ignored.  When writing metered poetry, one of the most 
common mistakes is to let it get singsongy:  every thought is exactly 
one line long, pauses come only at the end of lines, rhyming is 
overemphasized, and it sounds like something from Mother Goose.  Letting 
thoughts run over multiple lines is a good way to avoid this, because it 
breaks up the rhythm into more varied, more natural patterns, while 
still following good metered form.  Shakespeare is an excellent example 
of this; he never ends his sentences until he's damn well ready, and it 
almost never sounds singsongy.)
cloud
response 4 of 5: Mark Unseen   Dec 28 08:52 UTC 1999

Wee!  I love exhaustive critiques!  It's too bad that they take so much effort
to write, 'cause I'd love to see more in this confrence.
ponder
response 5 of 5: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 02:04 UTC 2000

My only question is What do the lines about the light have to do with 
the lines on what I suppose to be a girl?  Other than that, I like it.
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