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Grex > Paradox > #13: No Statement Can Be Proven With Absolute Certitude | |
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nephi
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No Statement Can Be Proven With Absolute Certitude
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Feb 1 08:01 UTC 1995 |
Is it possible to truthfully say that no statement can be proven with
absolute certitude?
What does this mean?
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phreakus
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response 1 of 34:
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Feb 2 18:17 UTC 1995 |
This is the sort of question that only serves the purpose of twisting one's mi
mind into a pretzel.
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nephi
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response 2 of 34:
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Feb 4 11:43 UTC 1995 |
What's wrong with that?
Really, though, what do people think about #0? Does it mean that at least
one statement *can* be proven with absolute certitude?
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groove
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response 3 of 34:
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Feb 20 19:05 UTC 1995 |
'tis better to ask whether or not anything *absoulute* exits.
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selena
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response 4 of 34:
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Mar 24 19:06 UTC 1995 |
The only thing that can be proven with an absolute certitude is that nothing
(Except this statement) can be proven with an absolute certitude.
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nephi
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response 5 of 34:
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Mar 25 08:31 UTC 1995 |
Can you prove that? (Seriously.)
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selena
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response 6 of 34:
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Mar 26 06:43 UTC 1995 |
Give it a sec.
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gibby
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response 7 of 34:
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Apr 6 12:31 UTC 1995 |
It sucks dick
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groove
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response 8 of 34:
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Apr 6 16:58 UTC 1995 |
It seems to me that the statement is a contradiction within itself because
if no statement can be proven with absolute certitude, then the statement
itself cannot be true, by its own saying.
Example: If you say that "All generalizations are false" then it, itself
is false because it is a generalization.
does this make sense?
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gal
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response 9 of 34:
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Apr 6 20:52 UTC 1995 |
Yes, yes it does.
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selena
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response 10 of 34:
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Apr 7 14:42 UTC 1995 |
No, the staement had a built in exception.
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groove
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response 11 of 34:
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Apr 7 18:17 UTC 1995 |
what is the exception? Itself? It still has the contradiction. How
can it exclude itself? The saying proves itself wrong.
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orinoco
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response 12 of 34:
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Apr 9 20:52 UTC 1995 |
all of you read the "eat your heart out, Spock" item if you want to be...uh...
further confused on this topic
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selena
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response 13 of 34:
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Apr 10 05:35 UTC 1995 |
It said..
"There are no statements that can be proven with an absolute certaintude,
except this one." What's that problem?
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groove
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response 14 of 34:
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Apr 11 20:57 UTC 1995 |
the problem is proving that what I say is incorrect.
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nephi
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response 15 of 34:
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Apr 12 12:08 UTC 1995 |
So groove, is the statement in #0 false? Can a statement be proven
with absolute certitude?
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groove
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response 16 of 34:
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Apr 12 15:58 UTC 1995 |
I thought I have proven (not according to selena) that statement in #0
was false.... However, I did not prove that a statement can be proven with
absolute certitude.
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nephi
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response 17 of 34:
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Apr 14 07:08 UTC 1995 |
So will we never know if a statement can be proven with absolute
certitude?
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groove
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response 18 of 34:
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Apr 14 16:01 UTC 1995 |
I probably won't be able to prove it. Maybe someone else can.
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groove
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response 19 of 34:
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Apr 18 02:49 UTC 1995 |
the only proof here so far is mine in #8. Maybe someone should disprove
me?
I'm waiting.
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selena
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response 20 of 34:
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Apr 18 04:11 UTC 1995 |
already been done. wake up.
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groove
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response 21 of 34:
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Apr 18 18:24 UTC 1995 |
where? I do not see anything... just a repeat of #0... with a qualifier.
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nephi
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response 22 of 34:
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Apr 18 22:09 UTC 1995 |
Are all statements that cannot be proven with absolute certitude
necessarily false?
Can your "proof" be proven with absolute certitude?
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groove
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response 23 of 34:
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Apr 19 17:12 UTC 1995 |
not all statements that aren't proven are necessarily false.
Can it be proven false with absolute certitude?
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nephi
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response 24 of 34:
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Apr 20 07:49 UTC 1995 |
I did not say "aren't". I said "cannot". I see a big difference
there.
So, are all statements that *cannot* be proven with absolute
certitude necessarily false?
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