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jaklumen
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The new ambient item.
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May 22 08:30 UTC 2002 |
This is the place to once again discuss all things ambient: space
music, Brian Eno, Phillip Glass, New Age, indeterminism, minimalism,
and perhaps some connections to electronica.
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jaklumen
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response 1 of 18:
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May 22 08:33 UTC 2002 |
I suppose Wendy Carlos should be mentioned in a new electronic music
item, but I'm wondering if she'll be involved in the soundtrack for
Tron 2.0 (a.k.a. Tron-- Killer App: see http://www.tronkillerapp.com
for a promo), as she was for Tron.
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orinoco
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response 2 of 18:
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May 22 16:06 UTC 2002 |
I've been thinking for a while that I should listen to more of Eno's ambient
music. I know the poppier albums he's put out, and some of his work as a
producer, but I've never gotten into the ambient stuff, and there seems to
be an enormous amount of it out there. What's a good starting point? DOes
it matter?
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dbratman
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response 3 of 18:
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May 22 23:32 UTC 2002 |
Philip Glass, ambient? Yeeks. Would you call Steve Reich ambient?
Wait, you're discussing Phillip Glass, two L's. Must be somebody else.
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jaklumen
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response 4 of 18:
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May 23 01:24 UTC 2002 |
I could be wrong. What would you call "Tubular Bells"?
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micklpkl
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response 5 of 18:
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May 23 03:30 UTC 2002 |
Wasn't "tubular bells" Gary Oldman? (pardon my ignorance)
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mcnally
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response 6 of 18:
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May 23 19:32 UTC 2002 |
You're getting closer, anyway..
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dbratman
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response 7 of 18:
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May 25 00:27 UTC 2002 |
Tubular Bells was not by Philip Glass. Nor Phillip Glass, Steve Reich,
nor even Gary Oldman.
I did not say that ambient music does not exist. Merely that Philip
Glass is not it.
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jaklumen
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response 8 of 18:
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May 25 01:25 UTC 2002 |
I'm sure you're right. This was yet another fried-out, overzealous
attempt to expand the music cf beyond folk music and P2P (Napster)
discussion.
Now-- would you care to discuss some ambient artists, then?
For ambient artists on NPR radio, I think "Hearts of Space"
and "Echoes" might be a reference.. anyone care to correct or disagree
with me? Better yet, anything to add to that?
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micklpkl
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response 9 of 18:
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May 25 19:38 UTC 2002 |
Sigh. I'm sure dbratman is right, too. This will teach me to post without
researching; my brain doesn't handle name-matching (or even
genre-identificiation, for that matter) very reliably.
Tubular Bells --- composed by Mike Oldfield. (who has worked with the Galician
group Luar na Lubre, that's how I thought I knew the name)
I'm sorry for not mentioning the ambient CDs in my collection; I have a few,
including a compliation called "PATH" which I love a lot. A couple of
Tangerine Dream, too.
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jaklumen
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response 10 of 18:
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May 26 22:40 UTC 2002 |
Yeah, Tangerine Dream is nice from what little I've heard of them--
not sure if they are on the stricter sense of New Age, or have done
more with melody, as Ray Lynch did with albums past his first
recording.. can't remember the name of it.
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dbratman
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response 11 of 18:
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May 28 22:51 UTC 2002 |
"Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" by Mozart is, technically, ambient music, if
defined as "music designed not to be listened to very closely."
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orinoco
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response 12 of 18:
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May 30 03:11 UTC 2002 |
Nice. You could say the same thing about a lot of classical chamber music,
really.
Obviously, most of us wouldn't call Eine Kleine Nachtmusik "ambient." I think
the reason for that is that it's _hard_ not to listen to it closely.
Interesting things and catchy melodies keep happening, and drawing your ear
back to it. Most of the music we call ambient is hard _to_ listen to closely.
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jaklumen
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response 13 of 18:
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May 30 07:41 UTC 2002 |
Really? I just love to get lost in it, really.. I can listen to it
quite actively, or I can turn it way down low and fall asleep to it.
Maybe that's just me.
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dbratman
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response 14 of 18:
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May 30 22:59 UTC 2002 |
re: 12 - No, most chamber music is designed to be listened to very
closely indeed. It's possible to treat it as if it were ambient music,
but it wasn't written for that purpose. Mozart's serenades, of which
Eine Kleine is one, _were_ written for that purpose. It's possible to
listen to them closely and with attention, and they reward the effort,
but that's not what they were written for.
I'm distinguishing between intent and effect here. If you judge by
effect only, almost all music is ambient - and simultaneously almost
all is not ambient. If you judge by intent, however, a distinction can
be made.
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orinoco
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response 15 of 18:
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May 31 05:43 UTC 2002 |
I understand the distinction you're making. I'm probably just flubbing my
music history. I had thought that most chamber music from Mozart's day was
originally written as background music for parties, much as Eine Kleine
Nachtmusik was.
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dbratman
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response 16 of 18:
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Jun 3 20:32 UTC 2002 |
re: 15 - Works like Mozart's "Haydn Quartets" (so-called because
they're dedicated to him) were definitely not intended as background
listening.
Nor was all the "background music" chamber music, either. Eine Kleine
was originally intended for string quartet and continuo, though it's
now usually played by string orchestra, but there are similar Mozart
serenades for full orchestra.
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jaklumen
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response 17 of 18:
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Jun 10 02:29 UTC 2002 |
resp:8 Hearts of Space has a wonderful website at http://www.hos.com
You can listen to samples of archived programs via streaming audio,
and consider subscribing for complete access to the archives. The
site also lists NPR stations carrying the program, CDs available, and
more. The site is well-designed and very pleasing to the eye.
The Echoes webpage is at http://www.echoes.org
The program could be considered somewhat similiar in spirit to Hearts
of Space, although it does not play strictly atmospheric music. Space
music is part of the programming, although the playlist is much
broader than that.
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kyuusai
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response 18 of 18:
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Sep 23 15:48 UTC 2003 |
Hi, why u don't try "Lustmord".. it's cool ambient music
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