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jaklumen
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Personalities of musicians
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Apr 21 07:38 UTC 2002 |
For those of you who have been in musical ensembles, either
instrumental or vocal, for a long time, have you not recognized that a
performer's personality seems to be connected to the instrument or
voice part?
In general, choral groups are much more outgoing and the individuals
each have a smaller personal body space, i.e. they tend to be
comfortable with closer physical proximity than instrumentalists, who
are more introverted and have larger personal spaces, even more so
when the instrument needs room to be performed.
I have been in instrumental and choral groups for several years, and I
have made some observations and have discussed them with a few of the
types in question.
With instrumentalists, the personalities seem to sort out like this,
as follows:
The flutists tend to be women, and girlie-girl ingenues at that. Some
may characterize them as bimboish and air-headed as as result. I am
not sure about men flutists-- although the few I've met are usually
graceful and somewhat feminine (although *not* necessarily
effeminiate).
Clarinetists are often women, too, and are gamins to the ingenue
flutists. They are much more quiet. The leading chairs may be
outgoing enough, but many are very mousy. As with many lower (alto,
bass, contrabass) versions of instruments, bass and contrabass
clarinets are more outwardly thoughtful. They seem to be men more
often, too.
Saxophone players are brash, although it is mostly true of alto
saxophonists. Same rules concerning lower versions (baritone sax,
bass sax, etc.) seem to apply.
The brass always carry themselves with a measure of dignity.. or ego.
Trumpet players are often ego-inflated and brash, but no cheekiness
exceeds that of French horn players. It's a running joke that trumpet
players think they are God, while horn players know they are God.
Besides ego, french horn players seem to have a lack of patience. I
had three directors that were horn players, and they all were rather
neurotic.
Trombonists are clowns.. I guarantee. It must be the slide. Even if
a trombonist isn't clowny alone, put the trombonist back in to his/her
section, and (s)he will be.
Baritone horn and euphonium players.. may be clowny as trombonists or
like unto the tuba players, which generally mean they drink like fish.
Tuba players.. carry weight in many a sense. Big bodies, big
presence. As I said, many drink like fishes.
Percussionists are of a few stripes. Many are competitive, especially
those of drum and bugle corps training. They may be very quirky or
very brooding and moody. The quirkiness seems to come more with those
who are genuine percussionists.. rock n roll drummers often don't fit
the bill. You've got to be able to play it all.. especially 'the
goodies.'
Bassoonists are intelligent and often great conversationalists to me,
too. They are down-to-earth and generally pretty straightforward and
honest.
Oboe players have a nut loose somewhere. Most all of them, save a few
I have met, have a bona fide oddity about them. It must be in that
the instrument has the greatest intonation problems of any, and the
players have to make all their own reeds. They cannot 'lip up' like
bassoonists can.
String players:
Violin-- still difficult to tell. Quiet, but may hide an interesting
personality. Sometimes appear to be a little snooty.
Viola-- never met a violist I didn't find interesting. Never boring.
Must be all those insipidly boring lines they have to put up with.
Cellists are deep. They may hide some ego, but many seem to be
capable of dealing with suffering. I have met at least one who
crosstrained in classical guitar studies.
Bass violinists are great conversationalists. Some are exceedingly
quiet. Mellow at any rate. They have odd and quirky senses of humor
when electrified (i.e., bass guitarists).
Guitarists are laid back.. way back. Few are purely classically
trained, and many do not know how to read standard notation at first.
Quite a few learn by ear, by experimentation, by chord shapes, and by
tablature (which was created for the lute). As I said, bass
guitarists (which usually means electric-- not many play guitarrons)
often have unusual senses of humor. Lead electric guitarists (for
rock and jazz ensembles) generally have the egos if any do.
Any major instruments I've forgotten?
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mcnally
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response 1 of 17:
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Apr 21 10:00 UTC 2002 |
Not that I'm particularly interested in your generalizations,
but I suppose I'd consider the piano a "major instrument"
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other
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response 2 of 17:
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Apr 21 14:24 UTC 2002 |
I have noticed that string quartets and quintets always seem to
appreciate jokes of which the violist is the butt.
I saw a string quintet walking into a restaurant in Greektown on Easter
Sunday and I said to them, "What I want to know is, just exactly who was
it that thought adding another viola would be an improvement?"
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jaklumen
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response 3 of 17:
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Apr 22 01:12 UTC 2002 |
resp:1 They are not really *my* generalizations-- quite a few of them
are based on comments, quotes, and such made by other musician friends
of mine. And you don't have to be interested; I'm just trying to
round out the music cf again, since it has been mostly about folk and
Napster et al items lately.
I almost forgot the piano, yes. (It was late when I posted.. what did
you want?) I'm not sure what pianist personalities are like, but I
remember how competitive and elitist the performance arena is; which
is typical of popular instruments such as the trumpet, flute, drums,
etc.
Technically, the piano is a percussionist instrument, so percussion
students do cover it a bit more perhaps than others, if only in
experimental applications. Often these are mallet students
(vibraphone, marimba, xylophone, bells, etc.). More often than not,
however, the piano is its own category. Yet I also see similar
personalities in electronic and MIDI applications for keyboard
instruments.. and the more complex and involved in the studio they
are, the more pensive and deep they seem to be.
I have not met enough students of the organ to make any generalized
comment.
resp:2 Ouch. Well, I would imagine the violist would probably be the
one most likely to chuckle good-naturedly.
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flem
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response 4 of 17:
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Apr 22 16:48 UTC 2002 |
I'm surprised that your generalization of violinists was as gentle as it was.
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dbratman
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response 5 of 17:
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Apr 22 21:43 UTC 2002 |
This is far from the first time I've seen such a categorization. I
wonder why musicians are so interested in this? In high school, I
tried to figure out if there were personality or other traits of
teachers by what subject they taught, but no teacher I mentioned this
to found the matter at all interesting or relevant. Very different
from musicians; too bad I didn't mention it to a music teacher.
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cyklone
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Apr 23 01:36 UTC 2002 |
In rock bands, the singers tend to be extroverts, the guitarists introverts,
and the drummers are maniacs. Bassists tend to be introspective, mostly
because they have to listen to everything, and be the glue between the
rhythmic and harmony. I agree witht he comment about quirky senses of humor,
too. The biggest egos tend to be singers and guitarists. Of course, I have
also played in bands where these descriptions did not apply.
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jaklumen
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response 7 of 17:
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Apr 23 06:16 UTC 2002 |
resp:4 I do not know many violinists, although some folks I've talked
to suggested they were stuck up pricks.
resp:6 That's about what I've heard and seen.
It must be remembered that those who play multiple instruments will
fit in multiple categories, and probably comprise some of the folks
where descriptions don't apply. I knew a prof who was Vienna-trained
in directing, and he played viola and trombone. It spoke quite
reflectively of his personality.
Of course, directors, too, are personalities unto themselves,
especially when the training has been long and significant.
I do remember a friend of mine who was a horn player and a grad
student in directing. He was quite the opposite from the typical horn
player stereotype.
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other
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response 8 of 17:
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Apr 24 02:46 UTC 2002 |
The predominant perception that violas are larger than violins has been
proven false. It turns out that violas merely appear larger because
violinists' have big heads.
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jaklumen
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response 9 of 17:
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Apr 25 07:22 UTC 2002 |
*laughs*
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tpryan
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response 10 of 17:
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May 23 23:50 UTC 2002 |
I think cycklone just described Dr. Teeth and the Electric mayhem.
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jaklumen
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May 24 05:18 UTC 2002 |
Well, yeah, but then we identified with Dr. Teeth and the Electric
Mayhem because they *were* based a little on rock stereotypes.
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coyote
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Jul 3 03:20 UTC 2002 |
As a horn player, here's how I view our instrument's affiliated personality:
I'll agree that their tends to be a certain ego that goes along with the
horn... however, I'll greatly disagree that it exceeds that of trumpet
players. Nothing exceeds the ego of a trumpeter, except possibly the egos
of some violinists, but there is much more diversity in violin
personalities than in trumpet personalities. Horn players tend to be
perfectionists. They tend to be competitive. They tend to be very
opinionated and fairly blunt and up-front with their opinions. They
tend to be moody and mercurial with their moods. I'll disagree with that
lack of patience part, since there's no way to survive on this beast of an
instrument without an extreme degree of patience. I'll agree with
neurotic, but almost every musician I know has some sort of neurosis.
Maybe the fact that I'm lacking in some of these traits contributes to the
fact that I'm only a mediocre horn player.
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jaklumen
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Jul 3 09:37 UTC 2002 |
Your mileage just varies, then. But your assessment-- self-assessment,
even, echoes much of what I've heard, including that the horn is
difficult to play.
But then, the evil thought of "well, of course the horn player would
claim to be humbler than the trumpets and violinists!" went through my
head, too.
I knew a horn player who did not fit the stereotype at all. It must
have been that he was a grad student in conducting.
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albaugh
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Sep 27 01:22 UTC 2002 |
Your #0 was interesting to read. I can't buy into any of it, I'm afraid to
say! ;-) The *real* clowns of any concert band are the percussionists, hands
down. Here's the ole joke:
Those that can sing, do.
Those that can't are given an instrument.
Those that can't play are given 2 sticks and a drum.
Those that can't drum have 1 stick taken away and stand on the podium. ;-)
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jaklumen
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Sep 27 09:10 UTC 2002 |
Oh, that makes sense. You have some percussionists that are clowny,
given that they have so many "goodies" to play with. But you must
admit some real brooding types are there, too.
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dbratman
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response 16 of 17:
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Sep 27 22:40 UTC 2002 |
Never seen anyone stand on the podium with a drum, pa-dum.
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jaklumen
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response 17 of 17:
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Oct 2 04:43 UTC 2002 |
Ummm.. have you seen some conductors and the way they tap on their
podiums? They might as well be making some music if they weren't
instead calling attention to themselves.
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