response 81 of 116:

Sep 29 00:55 UTC 2003

RE: "The membership was wrong."

In your eyes, this statement is true because you believe something that 
the majority of the membership of Grex does not also believe.  This is an 
inherently subjective value judgement.  I and many other other members of 
Grex believe that our decision was right and that by consequence you are 
wrong, but the application of that value judgement in either direction 
doesn't make it TRUE.

In response, you can come up with any sort of hypothetical situation in 
which the membership might vote to do or support something which might 
offend the morals or sensibilities of anyone reading this and then ask if 
the (hypothetical) fact of the decision makes it right, but that would be 
an irrelevant aside, because only what does actually happen matters -- 
not what might hypothetically happen (but never actually would).

This is in distinct contrast with my assertion that you are wrong about 
what the ACLU does.  You may not think that their efforts benefit you and 
thereby serve your interests (and the basis for your arrival at THAT 
conclusion completely escapes me), but no matter what you think about it, 
they are serving your interests as a citizen of the United States of 
America.  The only value judgement in that assertion is the assumption 
that preserving the rights of individual citizens to think and speak 
freely without fear of government repression is a GOOD and is therefore 
in the interests of all citizens.