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caesar
JAZZ! Mark Unseen   May 19 22:06 UTC 1994

This here's a jazz item to look thru. I'll begin by recommending a phenomenal
jazz album:

Dizzy Gillespie
Sonny Rollins
Sonny Stitt

"DUETS"

A truly magnificent album. The things these guys can do with blues changes
will blow you away. Questions? Thoughts? Other recmmendations?
22 responses total.
carson
response 1 of 22: Mark Unseen   May 19 23:03 UTC 1994

(what did jazz fans think of "Jazzmatazz Vol. 1"? It was a hip hop/jazz
record by Guru of GangStarr, and featured such jazz artists as Donald Byrd
and Ronnie Jordan.)
caesar
response 2 of 22: Mark Unseen   May 20 18:40 UTC 1994

Haven't heard it. Sounds good, tho. I really enjoy funk and fusion and that
type of stuff.
davidtg
response 3 of 22: Mark Unseen   May 21 02:48 UTC 1994

For all you guitarists out there and guitar fans:

        Wes Montgomery:  Full House
and
        Wes Montgomery:  The Incredible Jazz Guitarist

Also, Tommy Flanagan, who some of you may have seen earlier this
year at Kerrytown Concert House, and who played on Giant Steps with
the immortal Trane, is on The Incredible Jazz Guitarist, so there's
another reason to get it.  Full House features the rythm end of the
Miles Davis quintet (Paul Chambers, Wynton Kelly, Jimmy Cobb) and
Johnny Griffin (played with Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers).

oops, I spelled rhythm "rythm"
caesar
response 4 of 22: Mark Unseen   May 21 19:14 UTC 1994

more good guitar stuff on:
The Inner Mounring Flame
John McGlauchlin and the Mahavishnu orchestra.
Or have I already mentioned that?
dwarf
response 5 of 22: Mark Unseen   May 24 00:34 UTC 1994

for all you out there:
muddy waters
grimace
response 6 of 22: Mark Unseen   May 25 20:07 UTC 1994

As I already praised caesar in "5 CD choices on a desert island", you're 
reccomendations are certainly ones to follow...
I've heard "jazzmatazz"- it's one of my favorite albums right now-
if you're into jazz and are tolerant or into hip hop, I'd reccomend it.
Also, an excellent guitar album is Stanley Jordan's "Standards Vol. 1"...
raven
response 7 of 22: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 20:03 UTC 1994

        Prob along similar lines to Jazzmatazz, I saw Grooce Collective in
Detroit last night and they blew me away. They have a vey eclectice sound,
sort of like Funkadelic meets hip hop with bop era jazz riffs played live
(no samples). I was very impressed. Apparently they are part of a new music
movement that is being lables acid jazz.
take6
response 8 of 22: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 22:39 UTC 1994

Any Take 6 fans out there????????
caesar
response 9 of 22: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 01:27 UTC 1994

Haven't heard too much take 6

I would like to get back to #1, re Donald Byrd who is on Jazzmatazz.
I got an album by him called "Black Byrd." It was recorded in 1973, and it
is pretty nifty. Actually, I'd give it a mixed review. Some of the tracks are
really hot (most notably "Love's so far away"), but some of it gets kind
of new-age-like and muzakish. But it's got some pretty good grooves on it.
Kinda cool. Anyone heard it?
hdvh64b
response 10 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 23 14:02 UTC 1994

Does anyone here play any Jazz Improv?
tom67
response 11 of 22: Mark Unseen   Oct 18 17:40 UTC 1994

I recently started playing jazz piano.  I don't know exactly how it happened
Right now we're playing "Well You Needn't", "Joy Spring", "Take Five",
"Song for Lorraine", and "Airegin"
pphilipp
response 12 of 22: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 21:25 UTC 1994

Hullo fellow jazz fans.  I'm brand new to this whole picospan conference
business, so please forgive any breach of convention on my part.  I'm a
fairly obsessive fan of lots of different jazz idioms ("idia"?) and would
like nothing more than to discuss jazz with y'all whenever I log on to 
grex (frequently).  I can't help but notice, however, that the postings
here in the JAZZ section of MUSIC are few and far between.  Is it that
there's not a lot of interest here or is there somewhere else I should be
looking in these conferences?

In case there is interest just waiting for someone to start something, I'll
mention that I recently acquired Roscoe Mitchell's _This Dance is For Steve
McCall_.  Most excellent!  Beautiful lyrical playing by Mitchell.  In-
credible arco bass by (my current favorite bass player) William Parker (and
I'm a sucker for arco bass).  And even a local angle - Detroiters Jeribu
Shahid and Tanni Tabbal play on this recording as well.

Wanna talk about Mitchell?  W. Parker?  Evan Parker?  Peter Brotzmann?
Anthony Braxton?  Marilyn Crispell?  Jane Bunnett?  Let me know!
aspen
response 13 of 22: Mark Unseen   Feb 5 21:47 UTC 1995

I play Jazz improve on my trumpet I would also like to reccomend something to
everybody that likes swing style.  Try to get the concert of Benny Goodman at
carnige hall.  It is his best work that I've heard.  




DD
dylan
response 14 of 22: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 00:48 UTC 1995

If anyone enjoys burnin piano trios, I recommend Benny Green's live 
album called "Baseface". It features Ray Brown and Jeff Hamilton,
who used to be the main rythm section for Oscar Peterson up until
a few years ago.

Another Benny Green album, "Greens", is also an increadable 
example of that intangeable thing known as "Swing".
This album is one of Christian McBride's first recordings.

If you are into singers, and want something other than Ella,
Billie, or Sarah, why not try another great swingin' sister
known as Anita O'Day. She has a great recording which was done 
at the Newport Jazz festival in 57'. Her scat singing and 
her distinctive vocal tone make this live album one not
to miss. Roy Haynes is also featured on all tracks.

My favorite singer of all time is Mahalia Jackson.
Although you might not at first be interested in her 
song choices, you no doubt will be interested in
hearing more of her thunderous shouts of powerful
emotion.
She also has an album which was recorded live at 
the Newport 57' festival.


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pphilipp
response 15 of 22: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 15:12 UTC 1995

Have you heard the Benny Greene recording _Testifyin'_?  That's the only thing
I've heard by him.  I like it pretty well.  He's clearly a gifted pianist.  My
only complaint with that record is that his playing is a bit cliched - he seems
overly concerned with pleasing the audience.  This may well be a function of
youth.  How do the records you mention compare to this one?  I look forward to
hearing more from Mr. Greene.

-Paul
dylan
response 16 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 1 00:50 UTC 1995

I have not heard Testifyin', but what do you mean by his playing being 
a bit cliched? And as far as his concern for the audience, don't
you think that is what most of the modern jazz musicians have failed 
to do? Ie, they have gone so far to the extreme of "art" that they
are no longer able to relate even to the most educated and
sophisticated of their listeners.
This is what I find anyway.

When Oscar Peterson himself choose Benny to be the recipient of his
protoge award I was first a bit suprised but after listening to more
of his recordings I became more aware of his gifted abilitys
as a serious artist.

I find Benny's recordings are full of the essence of jazz, which 
is basically summed up in the word "swing". There is a joy
and happiness to his playing that I have not seen very much
in more "modern" jazz musicians.

Good music should uplift one's soul and bring hope to peoples's
lives. Maybe Benny gives the audience what they want; but is 
what they want so bad? 

What good is jazz if it's musicians only use it to enrich themselves
and not others around them?

What is the use in making a musical statement if the statement 
is not a valid one to anybody other than yourself?

Those are my few words......

Please add more!
pphilipp
response 17 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 1 20:25 UTC 1995

I definitely didn't mean be to be harshing on Benny!  As I said, I rather 
*liked* what I heard!  I was just commenting on
some of my impressions of *one* of his recordings.  Even with respect to
that recording, there's nothing that says I will never change my view.  
Part of the point of my post was to ask if you (or anyone) thought that
I had judged too quickly, and therefore needed to give it another chance
(which I will).

As to some of your other comments, I am not sure which are meant to be
rhetorical and which are meant as sincere questions warranting sincere
answers.  I'd happily try to express some of my views in detail if you're
really interested.  For the time being, I'd just like to say that I
personally, quite like lots of the modern musicians who I expect are
the targets of your criticisms (about musicians who don't focus on 
pleasing their audiences).  Further, it's not at all clear to me that
the only legitimate reasons for creating music involve uplifting etc.
As to questions about the value of jazz that isn't primarily aimed at
pleasing an audience, I suspect that these are closely tied (or identical)
to questions about the intrinsic value of art in general.  These are ex-
tremely difficult questions to answer (though they're fun to discuss)!
I'll happily discuss these with you as well, but I don't think we should
embark on this project lightly.  

-Paul
dylan
response 18 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 2 01:22 UTC 1995

Well I agree that it is not a light topic of discussion!
Since this is a posting geared to jazz I will try to keep 
out my general views on the nature of "art" and what
I think it should and should not be.

I will open up my previous questions a bit by giving a few names
and having everbody give their views on the music. Hopefully
everyone will include personal reasons why they like or dislike 
an artist which I name.

Earl Klough
Kenny G.
Holly Cole
George Benson
Vannessa Williams
John Tesh

Pops'
Billie
Oscar
Ray
Johnny Griffin

Marsalis'
Kenny Kirkland
Terrance Blanchard
Jeff Hamilton
Lenny Breau

Ok,as you can see I have placed all of these in somewhat of a biased grouping
system. Do you agree at all with this grouping? why? why not?

pphilipp
response 19 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 2 15:59 UTC 1995

Well, if you mean to be asking whether I can see a reasonable rationale for
(more or less) this grouping, I think the answer is yes!  I'm not actually very
familiar with Holly Cole or Vanessa Williams (I've heard the names, but as far
as know I haven't heard their music).  Otherwise, anyway, the first group is
what  I would (perhaps contentiously, though I don't necessarily mean anything
in- trinsically negative by it) call "pop jazz".  I'll admit that I don't find
this category very enjoyable.  This sort of thing is very largely nothing more
than a matter of taste (about which, I think, we can't usefully argue ... my
Latin isn't good enough actually to brave the "re gustibus non disputandum" or
whatever it is).  To oversimplify an analysis of my own taste here, I guess I
don't find some the elements that attract me to jazz in general (and in the
first place).  That is, I find very little improvisational or compositional
daring or inovation.  I feel like the chord progressions (and chord substitu-
tions etc.) are highly predictable and standardized, and the note selection
above those chords is quite narrowly constrained and conventional.  Also,  to
my ears, performers in this (vague) category don't do anything rhythmically
very interesting.

The second I category I would loosely call "classic".  Here I find lots to
like (though I'm not sure if you meant Ray Brown or Ray Charles by "Ray" ...
it doesn't much matter since I like them both).  These musicians are among
those that got me hooked on jazz in the first place (among the first real
jazz shows I ever saw was Oscar Peterson in the early '80s in Detroit ...
maybe '82?).  Originality, inventiveness, daring, and an incredible (again,
to my ears) emotional fire knock me out whenever I hear any of these players!

I guess I'd call the third group (loosely) "neo-bop" (though I'm not familiar
with Lenny Breau - again, heard the name but not the music, I think).  I find
lots to like here too.  It's a little hard for me to gush very strongly about
this category since there has been some public acrimony between (some of) them
and (some of) my favorite "avant garde" (for lack of a better term) jazzers.
That's politics, though, and I'm meant to be talking about music here, so those
considerations aren't fair.  I have to say, these musicians have given me a
lot of pleasure over the years.  I've seen Wynton Marsalis twice now (once with
his brother Branford in the mid '80s - maybe '85? - and once with an all star
review in '93) and enjoyed his playing both times.  The first time (while I
was quite happy overall) I thought that his playing was a bit too tied up with
technique for my tastes (it seemed to make it hard for the "emotional fire" I
had mentioned before to express itself), but the second time I was utterly
blown away!  No loss of amazing technique, but an added gut-wrenching blaze
of emotion and blues expression the likes of which I have seen only very r
rarely!

Finally, I'll add another short category list (of some of my favorites).  Let
me know what you think!

Roscoe Mitchell
David Murray
Lester Bowie
James Carter
Marilyn Crispell
William Parker
Jane Bunnett
Don Pullen
Peter Brotzmann

... I could go on and on!  Good listening,

-Paul Philippon
dylan
response 20 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 3 01:40 UTC 1995

Yes James Carter! wow ! I never heard of the guy until about a month ago.
I read that he was going to be featured in one of the free concerts during
Toronto's late June jazz festival. The plane he was on was delayed from
New York so the audience had to wait in an expectant mood of tension for 
over an hour before he showed up. I have never heard how his recorded 
material sounds but this man was playing at this live show! I had never 
before heard sounds like the ones he was making on the tenor and soprano
saxaphones. He got scary at times but over all it was one of the best concerts
I have seen on the jazz circuit. Not recomended for the faint of heart though;
this man's playing is so increadable that he has probably scared some audience
members into having heart attacks while they were listening!!!

He is the only one I can speak of in your list. 
pphilipp
response 21 of 22: Mark Unseen   Aug 3 15:14 UTC 1995

I'm glad you like James Carter!  I've seen him a couple of times and have
yet to be less than completely *amazed*.  You mentioned that you haven't
heard any of his recorded work.  I can recommend the albums under his own
name very highly.  His fist was _J.C. On The Set_ on the Japanese DIW label.
This is my favorite of his records.  Hecond was _Jurassic Classics_
also on DIW.  Also burnin'.  His most recent was _The Real Quietstorm_ on,
I believe, Atlantic (it is, in any case, his first major label U.S. release).
I like this one lots too, though it is my least favorite of the three.  The
(incredible) rhythem section which usually plays with James has a cd out
by themselves as well - it's just called _The Craig Taborn Trio_.  Craig is
the pianist, and lives in Ann Arbor (for now; he's moving to NYC soon).  The
bass player is Jeribu Shahid and the Drummer is Tanni Tabbal.  This record
is also on DIW and, in my opinion, well worth seeking out.

In case not everyone knows this info, James will be playing at this years
Montreux Detroit Jazz festival (again - he was there last year as well).
The festival spans the Labor Day weekend and is completely free.  It takes
place in Hart Plaza.  James is going to play with his own group, with Lester
Bowies New York Organ Ensemble (don't miss this!!), with David Murray, and,
I think with one or two other groups as well (perhaps with Spencer
Barefield?).  Here's a chance to check out some of the other people mentioned
on the list above (and get a solid dose of James) if you're interested.
Good listening,

-Paul Philippon

cjair
response 22 of 22: Mark Unseen   Jun 8 23:53 UTC 1996

Hi jazz lovers.  My recommendation: 
LIVE AT RONNIE SCOTT  --  Irakere
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