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rcurl
Musicial Technology Mark Unseen   Apr 1 03:21 UTC 1994

Where musicotechnofreakies hang out.
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rcurl
response 1 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 1 03:24 UTC 1994

Can I use my Mac Powerbook to tune my harpsichord? It has a microphone
port and records sound (snippets), but is there software to do spectral
analyses, and any other useful musical technology? (And, while I am
asking about this, what kind of microphone can be used other than the
official Apple microphone, cheap as it is? Can one connect directly to
an audio line (perhaps with a matching xformer?)?
omni
response 2 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 1 05:11 UTC 1994

  maybe. It would depend how well you can reprodunce the A440 pitch,
which is the base for tuning what is called the "temprement" of the 
instrument. There are electronic tuners, and some are very good, but
I am not aware of any softrware that will do this. 

I can reccomend a tuner for you, Rane. Or I can do it for you myself.
bdp
response 3 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 1 06:13 UTC 1994

I don't have a mac, but I've seen a program that'll let you tune guitars
with the mac.  Ziggy might know more about it.
rcurl
response 4 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 1 18:22 UTC 1994

I can tune it myself too, omni. I am specifically looking for ways to
make better use of the sound input port on the PB than recording ten
seconds of whatever - you know, musicotechnofreakie stuff. I'd like to
test that guitar tuning app - I *saw* it a while back while browsing
on ftp servers, but haven't been able to find it again now.
omni
response 5 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 1 18:57 UTC 1994

 go buy a guitar and learn to play it.
davidtg
response 6 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 02:08 UTC 1994

too often technology takes the place of good music
rcurl
response 7 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 06:55 UTC 1994

but it is impossible to have good music without technology
rcurl
response 8 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 07:25 UTC 1994

that is, if you use an instrument *other* than voice
rcurl
response 9 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 07:33 UTC 1994

I shredded the internet, and ftp'd wavewindow v. 2.0 from somewhere,
and archied up guitartuner, and ftp'd that too, and these are one pair
of interesting application.
  
But first, I took the plunge, and *plugged a cheap Sony dynamic mike
into the Powerbook* and - amazingly - it worked from the Sound CP. So
the input is low-level, although I haven't found any other parameters
for it (impedance?). Now, about guitartuner and wavewindow:

Guitartuner is part of a package of audio applications by Rustle Laidman,
under the general name "Perfect Pitch". I've tried guitartuner, but
the others are described with it, so here is what you can get:

Guitar Tuner v.1.1 (sw$5). Displays the note played on a bar marked only
at E A D G B E. Would indeed be easy to tune a guitar from this.

Vocal Meter (sw$15). An aid for singers, with adjustable #s and bs,
volume, tracking.

Staff Meter (sw$15). Displays note played on a staff.

Chromatic Tuner (sw$15). A tuner for any instrument, with #/b,
volume, tracking.

Lab Meter (sw$15). Displays frequency, volume, tracking, etc.
  
Wave Window v. 2.0 is also by Laidman, but not under the "Perfect Pitch"
name. It is a software oscilloscope. (sw$12). It is mostly a display
device, but has the following preferences: dot, line or Lissajous 
display; async, sync or capture triggers; 3 sweep speeds. I think it
is primarily an educational (and entertaininng) application, but rather
clever. You can also play a sound coming in on some other audio
line on the PB speaker (and hence, with a microphone, you can get 
feedback oscillation). 

Now its decision time: Chromatic Tuner, or Lab Meter (or both!?).
omni
response 10 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 07:45 UTC 1994

Not to start a war or anything like that, but those of us that hear pitch
are able to tune a piano better or equally good as a computer can. The computer
may be able to tell you where the pitch is, You will still have to wrench
it up yourself, and in that lies the margin for error.
  I personally would like to see this in action. especially the ocilloscope.
rcurl
response 11 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 08:12 UTC 1994

I really doubt that, as the talent to adjust the slight temperament of
fifths, etc, requires a lot of talent, training and experience (and time). But
of course, omni, I don't doubt that *you* can do it. However, nobody
can get the tuning *better* than a computer can, by definition, since
equal temperament is an exact mathematical ratio. I would agree that the
setting of the pitch (tuning down to, etc) is a skill, that depends
upon the instrument.

chelsea
response 12 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 14:16 UTC 1994

I use a stand-alone electronic tuner to help in tuning my cello. What I've
found is that when I adjust for a perfect (G) by tuner the sound
consistently sounds just a breath off, on the sharp side.  Only the (G)
string behaves this way.  My cello teacher has noticed the same on her
cello using her tuner.  I use the ST-40 Seiko Auto Tuner ($125) - a very
good tuner. So I've learned to adjust, as she has, by tuning ever so
slightly flat using the electronic tuner.  By science the string is flat
but by ear it's perfect.  An electronic tuner will get you close but in
the end it's the ear that has the final word. 

rcurl
response 13 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 19:38 UTC 1994

I have always been incredulous of "perfect pitch". Since a human has no
reference oscillator set to a perfect frequency, I would expect everyone
to only *sense* perfect pitch, but that everyone would tune a note
slightly differently. This is very easy to test, and must have been done -
just ask lots of people to tune to G, and measure their frequency. In
addition, the *standard*, A, has been all over the place over the years.
Here's a small sample, culled from Helmholz: Toulouse Conservatoire,
437.0; Dresden, 437.8; Paris Conservatoire, 439.5; Paris Opera, 440.0 (!);
Paris Opera Comique, 441.0; Stuttgart Opera, 443.1; San Carlo opera,
444.9; British Army regulation, 451.9. These were from before electronic
tuners, but go to show that quite experienced musicians settled on
different frequencies for what they called A. So, who's got "perfect
pitch"? 

rcurl
response 14 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 2 19:55 UTC 1994

Here are the servers and directories for the cited music utilities:
(Though I got them from all over, I found them all on mac.archiv.umich.edu
too:)
mac/util/organization/guitartuner2.0.sit.hqx
mac/sound/soundutil/wavewindow2.0.sit.hqx

rcurl
response 15 of 17: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 05:03 UTC 1994

I picked up mac/util/organization/metronome1.0.cpt.hqx from maue.
It displays a 2 inch high metronome and the bar swings back and forth
with clicks. You slide up the weight on the bar to slow it down, just
like for a "real" metronome. However, it is flaky on my PB 145B - the
bar falters, sometimes halts...not too good. Anyone else have experience
with this one on a different Mac (or with a different soft-metronome?)
rcurl
response 16 of 17: Mark Unseen   May 26 13:46 UTC 1994

Digital Oscilloscope 1.2.1 is, overall, a better scope than Wavewindow 2.0.
DO1.2.1 has a bigger display area, and includes controls for sampling
rate, raster display, gain, sweep rate, trigger level and derivative
(though not many choices in each). One can also display in reverse video,
and save a display to a file (as a "snapshot"). It is also in the public
domain, whereas Wavewindow2.0 is shareware @ $12. 

jkrauss
response 17 of 17: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 19:43 UTC 1994

is there has there ever been or will there ever be a hypercard midi xcmd or
will i have to fork over the dough for a sequencer?
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