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tsty
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Can you feel the noose getting tighter?
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Jul 16 07:42 UTC 1996 |
How do YOU think the current el Presidente has done on individual
rights? Is Billy Boy honoring his Constitutional OBLIGATION to uphold
teh Constitution ... or is he doing the reverse?
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bdh
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response 1 of 17:
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Jul 16 09:39 UTC 1996 |
You sure you got the right conference? Uh-huh.
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bdh
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response 2 of 17:
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Jul 16 09:42 UTC 1996 |
Oh, I get it, you are pissed off because he dropped support for
gays when he realized that the 10% figure was an urban legend.
I always figured he supported gays because he thought they'd give
better blow-jobs than Hillary.
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void
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response 3 of 17:
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Jul 16 10:50 UTC 1996 |
the 10% figure isn't an urban legend. what the guttmacher institute study
found was that only 2% of gay males were comfortable admitting to german
people that they're gay.
billy boy's not doing the best job in the world, but i'd still rather have
him than dole.
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bru
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response 4 of 17:
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Jul 16 15:03 UTC 1996 |
It is an urban legend, void.
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goose
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response 5 of 17:
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Jul 16 17:13 UTC 1996 |
Is not!
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pfv
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response 6 of 17:
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Jul 16 17:26 UTC 1996 |
I find myself (unfortunately) agreeing with void on the clinton/dole
stand... And it is REALLY pissing me off.
The only justification I can find to ease my concious is the simple fact
that Clinton is so goofy and ineffectual that Congress is gonna' simply
roll over him (and cheering for Congress is damn near as scarey).
Each day I watch another polito-commercial I find myself hoping for that
elusive "third-party" - The republicans keep picking extremists and the
Dem's keep printing "Mo Money".. I suppose in the latter days of our
great union/empire it is only to be expected, but GEEZ - where the hell
has all the common sense gone?
I dunno, I guess life is complex enough without letting this get me
down.. "whatta woyld" ;-/
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void
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response 7 of 17:
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Jul 17 12:29 UTC 1996 |
re #4: no, bru, it is not an urban legend. the guttmacher institute study
defined homosexuality so narrowly that had equivalent criteria been
applied to heterosexuals, a good number of them wouldn't have fit the
category. in order to fit the guttmacher institute's definition of
homosexual, people had to be (among other things): male, in a monogamous
relationship for 10 years or more, out to their families for 10 years or
more, have never had intercourse with a member of the opposite sex, and
(i think) had to meet certain educational and economic criteria.
secondly, if the 2% figure were truly accurate, then *every*
homosexual person in the country would have had to show up at several
marches in washington, along with some foreign gays, lesbians, and
bisexuals. do the math.
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bru
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response 8 of 17:
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Jul 18 04:59 UTC 1996 |
I don't think there has ever been 5 million homosexuals in one place in any
march, I doubt there has ever been tha many people at any march for any
reason.
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steve
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Jul 18 20:26 UTC 1996 |
Bruce is likely right about the number of people at any march,
not that that matters much.
Something that really interests me about the gay-rights debate
is the seeming focus on the 10% figure. I doubt that we'll ever
have a truely accurate figure. However, I know that in my life,
an astonishing number of people I've known have turned out to be
gay or bi. I've never tried counting them, but its felt to me
like 5% to 10% is a reasonably figure. Not "common" perhaps, but
still ever present.
...And, what do the numbers matter, anyway? Lets assume that
there really is only 2% of the population thats gay--does that
mean that their fight for the right to be treated as human beings
is any less important? I think not. I do find it amusing however,
that certain right-wing Christian organizations talk about the
numeric figures involved.
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void
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response 10 of 17:
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Jul 19 08:31 UTC 1996 |
thanks, steve, for pointing out the futility of arguing over numbers, and
for injecting a little sanity.
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eskarina
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response 11 of 17:
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Jul 19 14:37 UTC 1996 |
Now that I think about it, I think I have actually met and talked to more gay
or bi people than I have met or talk to extreme right wing Christian people.
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steve
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response 12 of 17:
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Jul 19 17:58 UTC 1996 |
I can believe that. Gay/Bi/Lesbian folk are throughout the spectrum
of racial, social and political arenas.
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pfv
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response 13 of 17:
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Jul 19 18:32 UTC 1996 |
It also heaviliy depends on where you live. Let's keep a touch of sanity, eh?
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bdh
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response 14 of 17:
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Jul 20 02:14 UTC 1996 |
Most legitimate accepted scientifically validatable and replicable studies
come up with 2%+-.5%. These include by the way a gay sociologist from
NORC. The key is replicable. What this means is that you apply the same
methodology to a population and get the same results. Its 2% guys/gays no
matter how you cut or form the cookie. Two Percent, less than jewboys,
less than'niggers'.
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tsty
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response 15 of 17:
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Jul 20 05:28 UTC 1996 |
what was that last "classification?"
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tsty
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response 16 of 17:
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Jul 20 05:29 UTC 1996 |
... and the next-to-the-last????
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bru
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response 17 of 17:
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Jul 20 15:50 UTC 1996 |
Thts the tsty influence.
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