Policy Conference In Exile

Jul 18 17:25 UTC 1996

        OK, people, take your best hold!

response 2 of 90:

Jul 19 00:45 UTC 1996

        Now set for High Noon at the Art Fair Booth Building Party.

response 4 of 90:

Jul 19 08:44 UTC 1996

   see item 11, response #10. there is no excuse for the transfer to be taking
this long.

response 6 of 90:

Jul 21 16:29 UTC 1996

        WHAT ACTION WILL THE BOARD TAKE IF THE BOOKS ARE NOT HANDED OVER
        TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE BY TOMORROW, MONDAY, JULY 22, 1996?

response 8 of 90:

Jul 21 21:38 UTC 1996

it's a wonderment to me how anyone can man an arbornet booth at the art fairs
and keep a straight face as they extol arbornet/m-net's supposed virtues - 
especially if they use e-mail as a selling point.

response 10 of 90:

Jul 21 23:48 UTC 1996

Sorry, if the Borg won't act, and the Patrons allow the behavior, I 
cannot see wasting my time...

Too bad, but it's pretty much typical of (and consistent with) the Borg 
behavior of the past year plus..

response 12 of 90:

Jul 22 20:09 UTC 1996

I think that would be an interesting situation  (ie; #9).  Maybe _real_ public
humiliation is the only way to get any action.  At least, the athorities would
become aware of the gravity of the situation and, perhaps, they could get the
books pryed loose.

response 14 of 90:

Jul 22 21:09 UTC 1996

Not to be picky or anything, but are you protesting craig, the borg,
arbornet, or m-net?  Does craig and/or the borg (whatever that is)
control arbornet or m-net still?  If they are sort of disassociated,
then hurting m-net may not be a very effective means to achieve results,
and the resulting harm to m-net may be far worse than the lack of the
books.  If you *really* don't like "the borg" (and you really have a
valid complaint against them), it would seem simplier (to me) to report
the books as "stolen property", and pursue it either via the courts or
police.  The sort of attention you might get from "the authorities" via
protesting would seem much more likely to be of the tear
gas/embarassment variety than anything actually beneficial to your
cause.

I would hope that you would have exhausted every avenue of peaceful
resolution before resorting to any such extreme measures, and I would
suggest preparing yourself for the possibility that it turns out the
book has been peed upon by the family dog, partially burnt, or
accidently sent to saudia arabia, and is therefore permamently unusable
and/or unavailable.

response 16 of 90:

Jul 23 05:34 UTC 1996

   Marcus is right.  A protest is not the best approach if you still care 
about M-Net.

   Since I assume you are not a member, recalls and court orders are 
pretty much out.  Have you contacted the IRS about tax fraud yet?  The 
IRS would have a field day nit-picking at Arbornet.

response 18 of 90:

Jul 23 09:21 UTC 1996

   i'm not so sure a picket is a wise idea. and as far as i can tell, dpc is
the third treasurer to whom craig has failed to relinquish the books. i think
the best way to get the books and other arbornet-related documents out of
craig's hands is via court order, and then follow that up by removing him as
president of arbornet so that he doesn't abscond with them again. picketing
the arbornet art fair booth is, imnsho, an ill-thought-out, knee-jerk
reaction to a problem which needs to be resolved through proper
channels.

response 20 of 90:

Jul 23 18:37 UTC 1996

(Evidently goroke doesn't remember what questions I asked, what he said
in #9, or who wrote PicoSpan.  Fascinating.)

Wow, so Craig is still president, eh?  I can't imagine anyone wanting to
take on the job of being treasurer in such circumstances.

response 22 of 90:

Jul 23 22:46 UTC 1996

I don't believe that Arbonet would be either allowed or in a postion to
sell diddly, if the IRS got involved - I seem to recall such events
generally result in a 'lock-down' on assets, paperwork and whatever -
including the finances.

If anyone wants to get serious, "aaron" gave me the data required to
contact the IRS several weeks ago.. I can post it here or email it, but I
myself am totally uninterested in bothering: when their are patrons,
staffers and lawyers already pissed off, I feel it is their obligation to
do something.

Of course, I rather feel that the entire thing is a lost cause - no one
wants to make the first move and this includes Borg, Staff, Patron and
Members - not to mention the various 'professionals' that regularly
comment on mnut.

It still boils down to the idea that a Coup d'tat (sic?) seems to be
required just to get the Mnet system (not the imaginary Mnet Corp(se)) to
operate properly and in/with good faith..

Too, it is fascinating that major issues are discussed here and not really
on Mnut anymore... Like maybe the Borg is gonna' listen here anymore than
there!?!

response 24 of 90:

Jul 24 04:33 UTC 1996

Does anyone know if I, as a member of the Audit Committee, can begin court
action to get the books from Craig?  I am a member, but since the Board
changed the by-laws so only Arbornet members may vote I didn't think I had
the standing to do this.  Now that I've been appointed to the Audit Committee
my standing has changed.  If, in fact, I now have the authority to do so, I
would not hesitate to commence such action.