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Grex > Micros > #36: How do I suspend memory test on a vintage IBM XT? | |
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klaus
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How do I suspend memory test on a vintage IBM XT?
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Aug 13 12:34 UTC 1992 |
I have a vintage '83 IBM XT that I use for modem type (TNC) communications.
The motherboard has been upgraded with 640K of memory. It orignally
had space only for 256K. Now it takes quite a while for the system to
check memory on boot. Is there some way I can bypass the memory test?
I have tried hitting the Esc key, etc.
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gunge
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response 1 of 36:
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Aug 13 14:32 UTC 1992 |
There is no switch on the system board to disable the test, and no key
to press to bypass it. One possible solution is to purchase a third party
BIOS that is compatible with your XT. I know that they exist, but have
no experience with them - I assume they follow the "Press <ESC> to bypass
memory test" trend.
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mju
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response 2 of 36:
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Aug 13 15:50 UTC 1992 |
The "Press ESC to bypass memory test" feature didn't come out until
the AT clones, I believe. I don't think the original IBM AT had it,
and the XT doesn't even display a memory count as it's testing.
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klaus
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response 3 of 36:
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Aug 13 19:34 UTC 1992 |
No, I get a memory count as it's testing. I don't want to buy a BIOS
chip for it, so I guess I'm stuck.
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jep
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response 4 of 36:
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Aug 14 04:59 UTC 1992 |
You can leave the computer on all the time. It's about the best
solution there is.
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jeffk
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response 5 of 36:
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Aug 16 00:51 UTC 1992 |
yep.
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gunge
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response 6 of 36:
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Aug 18 19:13 UTC 1992 |
I have a Seagate hard disk drive that I keep on all the time. It won't
spin up without a jumpstart (turn the spindle). It works well otherwise.
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mistik
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response 7 of 36:
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Aug 18 20:35 UTC 1992 |
How do you turn the spindle? I rotate the whole thing quickly to have the
disk spin. It doesn't happen often though (once a year?)
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klaus
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response 8 of 36:
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Aug 19 10:56 UTC 1992 |
I have one of those type of drives too. I use a screwdriver to get it
going. An old Western Digital 40Mb IDE.
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gunge
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response 9 of 36:
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Aug 19 17:30 UTC 1992 |
If it is an ST-1x8 you have to stick a screwdriver between the circuit
board and the sealed chamber of ther drive and turn the spindle.
The ST-2x8 has an "E" clip on the bottom of the spindle that can be
used to rotate the spindle.
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meg
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response 10 of 36:
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Aug 19 22:49 UTC 1992 |
(You could always try baking it in the oven)
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gunge
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response 11 of 36:
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Aug 20 13:51 UTC 1992 |
I just leave it turned on.
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graham
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response 12 of 36:
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Mar 16 07:15 UTC 1993 |
The problem with the one in our zenith is that the armature that carries
the heads gets stuck in one place when you turn the power off. Once you get
it jiggled out of the PARK position it works fine.
I've taken it apart several times, and thought I had it fixed, but it's
stubborn.
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tsty
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response 13 of 36:
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Mar 16 15:36 UTC 1993 |
You might try a different park utility? whose/which one are you using?
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graham
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response 14 of 36:
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Mar 16 22:12 UTC 1993 |
you misunderstand. It does that whenever the power gets turned off
or goes away. No park utility involved.
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tsty
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response 15 of 36:
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Mar 24 04:32 UTC 1993 |
Then, I would ADD a park utility that works with full power applied,
your current park utility works as the Power Supply DIES and the PS
may be dying too fast now for the auto-park to work right upon
power-down!
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gunge
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response 16 of 36:
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Mar 24 21:48 UTC 1993 |
Rubbish.
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tsty
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response 17 of 36:
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Mar 25 15:58 UTC 1993 |
Perhaps, perhaps not. Thoeretical consideration - old PSs and old capacitors
and/or increased load on PS (since new) cause the voltage to die off
much faster. How much faster I don'T know. Anything that uses the
voltage die-off time is subject to that time slice and rate of decrease
of voltage.
And there is another time element required to move the head to the
park position, a time which is variable. It is quite posible that the
head moves *near* the anticipated park position, either undershoot or
even overshoot. I woould suspect overshoot myself, initially, so that
on power up, the head is not wehre it's supposed to be, and needs
a mechanical nudge ("jiggled out of PARK position") to get going
again.
The otehr consideration is that upoon power up, there is a small
"initiating pulse" to "kick" the head out of park, which is designed
into several varieties of electro-mechanical hardware. If the "kick pulse"
is absent or too small, head stays "stuck."
Another problem I've run into, and solved, occurs when there is a
"bumper pad" at the extreme end of travel. The pad deterioriates over
time and, while acting as a bumper, also becomes sticky - just sticky
enough to require more of an "initiating kick" than is available. This
condition is most often associated with "arm overshoot," btw.
There are probably other situations which could cause the head to fail
to move, but the above are the ones I've run into, and solved, most
often, in all sorts of electro-mechanical actuating systems, large and
small.
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mju
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response 18 of 36:
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Mar 25 17:07 UTC 1993 |
A large problem (particularly with vintage ST-251 drives) is excess
lubricant on the spindle bearings. After a while, the lubricant
oozes out of the bearings onto the platters, and collects in a lump
near the center of the platters. The heat from an operating drive
softens the lubricant, and the heads then get stuck there while the
lubricant cools when the drive is turned off and the heads are parked.
Sometimes a rapid twist of the drive will free the heads; other times
the "sticktion" is more serious and you have to do something like
baking the drive in an oven to unstick the heads. (Meg Geddes really
did that once, to get data off a couple of sticky drives...)
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gunge
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response 19 of 36:
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Mar 26 15:40 UTC 1993 |
Those Seagates make good pie filling. Mmmmm.
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klaus
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response 20 of 36:
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Apr 1 14:58 UTC 1993 |
Forget the oven! Just rotate the platter motor from the bottom to
break it free, then apply power and your off. (That's part of what
I did to recove the data off meg's HD's. The remainder of the procedure
was to allow the drives to spin over night in a small box so they would
come up to operating temp.)
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mju
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response 21 of 36:
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Apr 1 23:05 UTC 1993 |
Yes, and if you're really lucky you won't rip the heads off the actuator
arms when you do this, either.
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klaus
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response 22 of 36:
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Apr 2 12:21 UTC 1993 |
Good point. Guess I've been lucky.
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steve
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response 23 of 36:
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Apr 11 02:45 UTC 1993 |
The sad thing about these drives is that there are so many of them
out there doing this! Yucko. I just gave some phone support to an
old friend whos ST-251 was doing just this. The old rotate trick did
the job, at least this time.
And no, the power supply can't be blamed for the sticktion problems.
The damn drives simply wern't made right. Thanks, seagate, for losing
gigs of important data, all over the world.
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rcurl
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response 24 of 36:
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Apr 11 03:39 UTC 1993 |
I've never used a Seagate drive, so I don't know, but - can one get
at the bearings? Perhaps a smidgen of watch oil would be an efficient
repair. I know clocks, and proper lubrication will restore many to
health for many more years (caveat: *never* use 3-in-1, or any other
oil you can get from a hardware store).
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