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Grex > Micros > #112: Wizards, Newtons, & other PDA's/Palmtops | |
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tangram
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Wizards, Newtons, & other PDA's/Palmtops
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Sep 11 06:48 UTC 1994 |
I just bought a Sharp Wizard -- the OZ-9520. I'm wondering
if anyone else is using one of these, or a Newton, or some
other PDA/Palmtop. I'm pretty happy with this little machine
so far. The physical design is real nice (size/shape/tactality/
sound/weight/etc). The built in software is also pretty useful,
somewhat flexible. Also the interface is nice. Pen and keyboard
and a quirky but easy to get used to GUI.
So, for a week or so, I've been putting it to alot of use-- phone
number, to do lists, appointments, doodle, checkbook register,
plus the occasional rumination, a few new words I've learned,
and a small collection of favorite poems & quotations.
My one misgiving - with the Wizard, is not the lack of pen to text
input, or even display (big enough, though much smaller than a
Newton's). It's the fact that, even with a card slot, the
Wizard seems like a pretty closed system. I don't know what
software IS available, but I have a hunch their isn't & won't
be much.
Any body else useing one of these little things? (Wizard
or other.) Any thoughts/tips/tales?
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kentn
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response 1 of 108:
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Sep 11 07:47 UTC 1994 |
I've been eyeballing them every time I seem them in a display case
somewhere. I think your misgiving about their expandability is
a good one, from what I've seen. But of course, in such a small
package, there isn't much room for expansion. Connectivity to the
outside world is almost mandatory (so you can upload those ruminations
to your desktop machine and turn them into the great American novel :).
Does the Wizard offer anything for that (like a serial port)?
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tangram
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response 2 of 108:
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Sep 11 16:45 UTC 1994 |
You can buy a card & cable for the Wizard that let you move all the data
back and forth between a PC or a Mac (two different products). These
kits (I believe) also come with software for the desktop machine, which
immitaes the Wizard app's -- so you can edit the files but keep 'em in
"Wizard format". Them model I got also comes with this little
fax modem, so you can send anything from the Wizard straight to a
fax machine, or dial up a machine useing vt100 emulation (2400).
Analog phone lines only though - sticker on the thing says digital
phone line will make it "overheat and melt". Yikes!
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jdg00
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response 3 of 108:
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Sep 15 01:12 UTC 1994 |
I expect to be including the Motorola Envoy wireless PDA in an executive
package I'm designing for one of my customers. I understand it has
similar capabilities as other PDAs, plus e-mail, fax, and on-line services.
I'll know if the Envoy will be part of the package in about 2 weeks. If
I learn anything, I'll post a followup here.
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danr
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response 4 of 108:
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Sep 15 22:28 UTC 1994 |
Thanks for entering this, Bill. I, too, have been thinking of buying one
of these babies. It seems perfect for the stuff I want to do. I'm
still trying to decide between one of these or a HP200.
Can I ask how much you paid and where you got it?
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tangram
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Oct 4 07:50 UTC 1994 |
Dan, I'm very sorry for not answering your simple question
sooner. I fell off the system for a week of so.
I paid $500 for my Wizard w/ little fax-modem. This appears
to be the standard street price for the model I got. I know
you can get it w/o the modem for less (not sure how much) and
that you can get the OZ-9500 (less memory, otherwise the same)
for about $360. I got it at Circuit City in Washington, D.C.
However (this is the important part) after getting my third look
a Newton, and talking to it's owner for a while, I packed my
Wizard up & sent it back. The Newton 110 can be had for about
the same price, does everything the Wizard does, and is just
outrageously cool. It definately isn't a little PC, like the
HP200, but than neither was the Wizard. I'f you don't
absolutely need to carry around a little PC, I highly recommend
finding a Newton and checking it out. Best to find someone
who can really show you how it works.
Interestingly, I've read at least two or three magazine colomns
lately all saying the same thing. That some hardware/software
improvements, and changes in people expectations, and the
growing body of shareware make the little machine worth a
serious look, despite its initial poor reviews...
End of evangelizing. Hope nobody bought a Wizard while was
spacing out...
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kentn
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Oct 4 18:56 UTC 1994 |
Has anyone looked at or purchased the PDA that Rat Shack touts as
better than a Newton? I lingered on their display for a few minutes
one day and all I can remember is one of those table comparisons
(has it/doesn't have it) with the Newton getting all thumbs down
(of course). Any comments on that one (other than ad hominem attacks
on Rat Shack itself)?
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sarrica
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response 7 of 108:
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Oct 16 23:01 UTC 1994 |
I've been looking at the Newton pretty hard since the 110 came out.
I think I will weaken early next year when the 120 comes out.
...or I might wait until the 120 with the 2.0 ROM appears.
That's the thing about computers, wait a bit and things get better.
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rcurl
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response 8 of 108:
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Oct 17 06:04 UTC 1994 |
...and then, obsolete...
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davel
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response 9 of 108:
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Oct 17 10:22 UTC 1994 |
Yeah. A comic in the FP last week or so pictured an ad for a computer
guaranteed not to become obsolete for at least 2 hours after sale (or
something like that). How true!
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curby
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response 10 of 108:
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Jan 10 08:27 UTC 1995 |
Y'all can have your Newton. Comming from Ann Arbor, I am not surprised that
you are biased toward the Apple product! But I think that I will wait for
next version of the sony magic. That little baby is one of the best PDA's
I have seen around...
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rcurl
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Jan 10 14:51 UTC 1995 |
(Damart has the Wizard OZ 9500 for $300 (free s/h) and the OZ-8200
for $150, fwiw.)
I was thinking of one of these devices for taking surreptitious notes in a
classroom situtation, noting the contributions (or lack thereof) of
students during free-form discussions. It can't be done on paper as the
students nearly break their eyeballs trying to see what you are writing. I
thought a "spreadsheet" with coded axes for students and categories, with
the possibility of entering codes for good/better/best contributions,
would work. Do any of these devices permit operations like this?
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kentn
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Jan 10 16:21 UTC 1995 |
In terms of daily usage of PDAs (for those of you that use them), have
you found them to help or hinder your work efficiency? (For example, do
you find yourself spending more time trying to program them or find
nifty new applications than just writing something in a paper organizer).
Rane, I guess you could try your suggestions. The students will probably
be curious in any event. Having a slanted podium helps, but if you are
sitting at the same level as the students, as in a discussion circle,
they'll be able to see what you're doing, anyway. I've always just used
a grid with names on the X-axis and Dates on the Y-axis, then just put
tick marks or +/- signs in when people made (or didn't make) contributions.
I imagine a spreadsheet would be good for that, but using a pointing
device to get to the right cell seems to me to be a much slower method
than using a pencil. YMMV.
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rcurl
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Jan 10 18:19 UTC 1995 |
I wanted to "spreadsheet" to accept but not show my entry. And a
touch-screen input. I could just touch the +/- in the cell to enter
it into memory.
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kentn
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response 14 of 108:
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Jan 10 23:16 UTC 1995 |
Touchscreen would be reasonable, I'd think.
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scg
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response 15 of 108:
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Jan 11 02:44 UTC 1995 |
I've looked at Wizards, but the ones I've seen have had really tiny
keyboards to do the input with, and I think they would be hard to type on.
I have been seriously considering getting a Newton. The 100s are now down
around $200, and since they are operated by a pen they don't have the
keyboard size problem. I still think a notebook would be easier to do
work on, but they aren't as portable.
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mju
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Jan 11 06:14 UTC 1995 |
Indeed, that is the major problem I've found with notebooks -- they
are really too big to carry around with you (especially if you
also carry around a power supply and power cable, so you cna use
it for more than a couple hours). A notebook also takes too
long to start up if all you want to do is take a quick note or
make a datebook appointment.
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curby
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response 17 of 108:
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Jan 11 07:04 UTC 1995 |
Ouch... I guess that I never realized that teachers actually paid
that much attention to students when in group discussions. Maybe I
should actually start paying attention during them. (And I always
wondered why I got better grades in large lecture classes...)
Rane & Kent, Thank you for enlightening me! <grin>
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rcurl
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response 18 of 108:
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Jan 11 14:45 UTC 1995 |
I am pleased to have enlightened a student. Now, how do I enlighten
*my* students? Enroll them on Grex?
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rcurl
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response 19 of 108:
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Jan 11 14:51 UTC 1995 |
I meant to also ask, will the Newton do what was described in
#s11-13? (Touchscreen entry of codes into a spreadsheet)?
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scg
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Jan 11 23:17 UTC 1995 |
Since the Newton does everything with touchscreen, i fyou had a
spreadsheet that would probably be the only way you could enter things.
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helmke
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response 21 of 108:
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Apr 16 21:30 UTC 1995 |
Will a Newton do something like a ansi or vt100 emulation and be able to
Grex? If it will, with some way to enter the occasional response, then
I'm about sold after seeing it at the potluck. Way cool, but if the
handwriting recognition is even OK, then it has to be better than my
touch-typing on a tiny keyboard. I'm starting to hit the practial
boundary of my paper Dayrunner for updating the address book etc.
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scg
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response 22 of 108:
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Apr 17 02:10 UTC 1995 |
I'm fairly satisfied with the Newton 100 so far. The handwriting
recognition isn't quite as good as I'd like, but most of the errors it
makes seem to be results of the word I was writing not being in its
dictionary (it has an amazingly small dictionary, but it keeps growing).
It is possible to get a modem for it (or even a celular modem), but I
don't have one so I'm not entirely sure what it's capable of.
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kenb
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response 23 of 108:
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Apr 17 02:53 UTC 1995 |
I bought a Radio Shack Zpda around Christmas $400 + $120 for null modem cable
and Lap Link software. I was disappointed in handwriting recognition and
resorted to using the tty-grid touchscreen for most input. Speed was also
a dissapointment, as I waited several seconds for ramdisk accesses. (Seemed
to run as slow as a floppy drive.) Although AOL was included, I was supprised
to discover there was no basic terminal program unless I paid another $300 for
a modem w/cable & software. The final disappointment came when I tried to
maintain a common data base (my principal need) on both PDA and desktop systems
There was no way to update from either system without overwriting intrim
updates on the other system. I guess the designers saw it as merely a backup
device.
I took it back.
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helmke
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response 24 of 108:
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Apr 17 11:59 UTC 1995 |
So is the Newton Grexable? vt100, or whatever, does it exist?
And if it exists and you have tried it, does it work?
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