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danr
Ipso facto, QED and illegitimi non carborundum. Mark Unseen   Sep 5 16:33 UTC 1991

If Latin is so useful, and I have no doubt that it is, why don't more
schools insist on students taking it?  I went to a Catholic,
college-preparatory high school, but it wasn't even offered.  Seems to
me that Latin courses should be more widely available.
65 responses total.
jennie
response 1 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 18:28 UTC 1991

It is often not offered because most schools only have so much money (not
true of the school I attended, but that's another whole story), and can't
afford to offer more than one or two languages.  If they can only have
that many, they would prefer to offer "living" languages, that the students
can learn by the new, communicative teaching methods and use lots of videos
and computer programs.

The fact is that it's difficult to get high school students to see the use
in foreign languages at all, much less ones they will never have the chance
to use in a foreign country.  And, to some extent, they have a point.

Griz
ty
response 2 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 01:00 UTC 1991

Semper ubi sub ubi.
polygon
response 3 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 03:46 UTC 1991

East Lansing High School offered a Latin class when I was there.  I should
have taken it, but I didn't like the teacher.
mythago
response 4 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 12:13 UTC 1991

I would have loved to take Latin in high school.  It's probably not
offered because for most students, it's not very practical.  When
you only have X time for electives, are you going to take something
you can use for actual communication, or something esoteric that you
can always take in college later?
jes
response 5 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 14:20 UTC 1991

I found that Latin was the most practical of all! I read foreign languages
far more than I have to speak them. As the original Romance language, Latin
gives me the ability to decipher many texts. I think more people don't take
Latin because it seems impractical and has a bad rep.

On a lighter Latin note:

Illegitimum non carborundum, domine salvum fac.
Illegitimum non carborundum, domine salvum fac.
Gaudeamus igitur, veritas non sequitur.
Illegitimum non carborundum, ipso facto.

 -- Harvard University Band lyrics to "Ten Thousand Men of Harvard"

(Off-color second verse available privately, on request)

jennie
response 6 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 14:44 UTC 1991

Horatius vilam habet
Eee-ey-ee-ey-oh!

Griz
mythago
response 7 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 21:24 UTC 1991

"Impractical" in the sense that you may not be in a situation that requires
reading texts.  If you plan to live in Canada, it doesn't hurt to learn
French.  If you're not going into academia, you're better off with
spoken, living languages.
danr
response 8 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 00:49 UTC 1991

(I read in a trade publication I get that Spanish will become a very
important langauge for business, especially with the coming of the
free trade pact among the North American countries.)

Latin might be very practical if it enables you to learn the other
Romance languages more easily.
mythago
response 9 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 14:33 UTC 1991

Again, if you have a limited amount of time, you're better off going
straight to the language.  Most high school curricula don't allow for
the possibility of taking two languages, especially one right after
the other.
jennie
response 10 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 21:16 UTC 1991

I took three at once.

Griz
mythago
response 11 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 00:54 UTC 1991

At my high school, if you were in the 'college prep' class, you took:
4 years of English (including AP), 2 years of History (including AP),
4 years of sciences, 4 years of math, and one foreign language.  I
suppose you could have taken two languages (they only offered two)
if you wanted to nuke all your electives, but I really preferred to
learn to type...especially given the mediocrity of our French program.
mythago
response 12 of 65: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 00:54 UTC 1991

(not to mention that :10 is quite the OOCQ)
arthur
response 13 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 7 18:05 UTC 1992

   The best way to learn a language is to be an exchange
student for several months.  It helps to have had a couple
of years of grammar and vocab. first, but nothing can
teach a language as quickly as bare necessity.

   I've heard that the best immersion program for learning
Spanish is given by a monastery in Bolivia.  After one
year, you come out fluent in Spanish, but with a strong
Bolivian accent.  I learned most of my French as an
exchange student in France, and my Spanish in an immersion
program in Guatemala.  The two months in Guatemala were
probably the equivalent of a couple of years of taking
university classes.
tsty
response 14 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 7 21:54 UTC 1992

Learn to float, then learn to swim. Not to be done on dry land. Works
marvelously. i've forgetten a lot of my Korean but thaat's
how I learned it - dove right in.
mta
response 15 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 01:19 UTC 1992

I took Latin for 3 semesters ina row--then I moved to Texas and registered
for Latin again.  The teacher said, on my first day in class, that it is
"impossible to speak Latin" because Latin "was only ever intended to be
a written language".  So what exactly was it the Romans used to speak
to each other, I wondered...and dropped the class.  She struck me as an
idiot.
tsty
response 16 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 01:21 UTC 1992

That teacher was/is an ass, imho. You done good, kid, and got outta there.
arthur
response 17 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 17:57 UTC 1992

   Said teacher was indeed stupid.  The Romans, obviously,
spoke latin.  So did educated people through the middle
ages.
tsty
response 18 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 04:23 UTC 1992

And the Roman CAtholic church every week until a few years ago, right?
arthur
response 19 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 18:26 UTC 1992

   Right :)
griz
response 20 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 18:29 UTC 1992

I actually agree with the "learn to float, then learn to swim" attitude,
though it's not currently in vogue.
arthur
response 21 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 27 19:01 UTC 1992

   Why? 'Tho I admit, it's a bit frustrating not being able
to communicate at first.  I couldn't say much for the first
month or so of my four-month exchange student stay in France,
and I'd had a year or so of high school French.  It took a
lot of work and patience to get fluent enough to communicate,
but it was worth it!
griz
response 22 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 18:23 UTC 1992

I think it's important to understand at least the basics of the structure
of a language before "learning to swim".  If I hadn't done it that way,
I may still have learned how to speak German fluently, but I doubt I'd
speak it as well as I do now.  I know not only how to use the language,
but also why it's used that way.
arthur
response 23 of 65: Mark Unseen   Jul 31 14:28 UTC 1992

  You have a good point, but one can learn the structure
afterwards, too, and get just as far.  After all, that's
what we do with our native tongue.
griz
response 24 of 65: Mark Unseen   Aug 3 17:44 UTC 1992

Actually, it's not.  Most uneducated people have no idea of the structure
of their native tongue, and yet speak it just fine.

And now we come to the BIG QUESTION -- do we learn a second language
*differently* than the way we learn our first language?  Is it possible
to learn a language the same way as a child does, when you are an adult?

(I don't expect an answer, folks.  Linguists have been arguing about this
one for years.)
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