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jep
alcoholic beverages Mark Unseen   May 29 02:37 UTC 2002

This item is for discussing alcoholic beverages.  What do you like?  
Wine, beer, liquor?  What do you hate?  Ever make your own?
74 responses total.
jep
response 1 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 03:03 UTC 2002

I am a light drinker.  Normally a beer in the evening is enough for 
me.  Two makes me unfit to drive, three is more than I'm likely to have 
under normal circumstances.

Tonight I stopped by the Merchant of Vino, and, on a whim, browsing the 
beer, when an employee asked if he could help me, I asked if they carry 
mead.  I'm reading The Hobbit to my son for the second time, and mead 
is mentioned several times.

In college, I had a professor of literature from whom I took a couple 
of Arthurian Romance classes.  She told one of my classes that a group 
of her classmates had ordered mead, imported from England, in order to 
try it.  She said it tasted like what it is, spoiled honey.  She said 
it was awful.

The Merchant of Vino carries several brands of mead.  I picked what 
they recommended, Chaucer's.  It was $12 for the bottle.  When I got 
hmoe, I slipped it into the freezer for a couple of hours, making sure 
it was cold, before opening it.  While I was paying for it, another 
customer told me to open it when I and my friends could drink it all, 
as it wouldn't keep well. I will see about that.

I've waited for 20 years to try mead, so I decided, while reading to my 
son before his bedtime, that that was long enough to wait.  Anyway, 
whom would I ask to join me?  So I opened it, and poured a little for 
John, and, expecting the worst, sat down to read to him, and drink some 
mead.

It's very sweet, but only tasted a little like honey; more in the 
aftertaste than the flavor when I drank it.  It wasn't awful at all.  
Clearly I didn't get what my professor had tried.  I wouldn't probably 
pick anything tasting that sweet if I were choosing to drink wine.  
(I'm not much of a wine drinker, but that's not what I'd probably 
pick.)  I was very pleasantly surprised; I half expected to have to 
spit it out when I took my first taste.

I drank about half the bottle by the time I read my son his 10 pages of 
The Hobbit.  He took a couple of sips, too, and liked it all right, but 
he didn't want more than that.  I finished his off, too.

After half the bottle, and an hour after I stopped, I'm still tipsy, 
and still wouldn't drive.  I'm a prudent drunk, I guess.

I'm going to try some of the other meads at Merchant of Vino in 
upcoming weeks.  Once I finish off what I already got.  I sealed it 
with a Baggie and a rubber band.  If anyone is really anxious to try 
mead, and can make it to Tecumseh, let me know and we'll arrange 
something.
scott
response 2 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 03:11 UTC 2002

I brew my own beer, which gives a bit of a variety.
jep
response 3 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 03:25 UTC 2002

What kind(s) do you brew, Scott?  Is it difficult to get started doing 
that?
glenda
response 4 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 03:27 UTC 2002

I love mead and only drink it a glass at a time.  I have kept it, capped, in
the refrigerator for a few months without noticable degredation.  Chaucer's
is good.  My prefered brand is made by a member of the SCA.  Unfortunately
he moved from Ann Arbor and I lost touch.  Commerical brands, I prefer a
Polish mead.  I forget the name and brand, but it comes in a distinctive red
glazed clay sort of bulb shaped bottle.  I haven't seen it in a few years so
get Chaucer's when the mood strikes.

I can't drink beer, am allergic to brewer's yeast.  I like some mixed drinks
and most wines with Margaritas being the favorite.  I don't drink very often.
Being part Native American and knowing that I have an addictive personality
I keep a very close watch on where, when and how much.  

Got tipsy once on purpose in a family setting to see how I handled it.  Didn't
like it, did it again to see how much it would take - more than I am willing
to drink in one sitting.  The only other time I came close tipped me off that
I was pregnant with Damon.  Got tipsy on the Margarita at Chi Chi's, never
had before.
jep
response 5 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 03:41 UTC 2002

A dozen years ago I knew someone who brewed his own beer.  He got me to 
switch from Budweiser to other beers, and turned me onto Bass & C Pale 
Ale.  Nowadays it's found in grocery stores, but then I had to look 
around to find a party store in my area that carried it.

Around that time, I visited Rochester and spent some time in a brew 
pub.  I became fond of a beer they called "bitters".  It was 
wonderful.  I went for years before I found anything like it.

The Merchant of Vino has several ESB beers, that's "extra special 
bitters".  I guess advertising beer as "bitters" isn't very effective.  
I went there tonight to get some ESB beer; that's when it occurred to 
me that'd be the place to ask about mead.

Tonight the ESBs I got were Belks and Red Hook.  I've also tried 
Arcadian ESB (Arcadia ESB?), which is made in Michigan.  They might 
have one other I've gotten before.  I'll never be a connoisseur as I 
can't remember which I've had.  It's too long between six-packs anyway; 
I might drink one in a week or two and take two or three months for the 
next.  I keep trying what I think are different ones, and I like them 
very much, but they're new every time.
jep
response 6 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 03:44 UTC 2002

re #4: Can you recommend any mead which isn't so sweet?  I've just been 
browsing WWW sites, and some of them mention that mead can be either 
dry or sweet.  They say a lot of the commercial ones are so sweet 
they're cloying (with which assessment I agree, about Chaucer's anyway).

Also, have you any idea what my professor tried, or what kind she 
tried?  Maybe I should try to remember her name and find out her e-mail 
address, and ask her.
glenda
response 7 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 11:40 UTC 2002

The Polish that I like isn't as sweet as Chaucer's.  I wish I could remember
the brand name.  I quit buying it when I was getting it from my friend and
haven't seen it since he moved.  I don't drink mead often, a bottle every year
or three so haven't tried any of the others.  I'll check Merchant of Vino and
Big Ten Party Store to see if either of them have it.
scott
response 8 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 11:47 UTC 2002

I joined a brewing coop, http://www.northstatebrewers.org , and we do some
interesting stuff.  It's not that hard to get started; I've been playing
around with one gallon recipes which don't require much in the way of
equipment.

It's a nice way to get good beer quite cheaply.
jep
response 9 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 12:05 UTC 2002

re #7: Thanks!  If you find out the name, I'll probably try it some day.

re #8: Do you make beer from a kit or package, or do you add your own 
hops, malt, etc.?  How long does it take to make beer?  How many 
different kinds have you made?
scott
response 10 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 16:18 UTC 2002

Jep, I could show you some time.  You might do a web search on homebrewing
to get basic data.  

I myself use packaged malt (syrup or dried) and then add hops to fit my own
preferences.
jep
response 11 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 17:05 UTC 2002

I've read some WWW pages, but they tend to be written by and for
hard-core enthusiasts for whom brewing is their lifestyle.  I might try 
home brewing myself some day but I'd be doing it in a very casual way.  
It sounds like what you're doing.  That's where my interest comes from 
in what you're doing.
slynne
response 12 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 18:00 UTC 2002

What would beer taste like if it didnt have hops. I have always 
wondered that. 

Anyhow, I like all of the usual drinks. I dont drink much but I am 
obsessive about keeping alcohol in my house. I always make sure I have 
the following in my liquor cabinet: 

Vodka
Gin
Bourbon
Tequila
Rum
Kahlua
Bailey's
Dry Vermouth
Sweet Vermouth
Bloody Mary mix
Marguarita Mix
Can of pineapple juice
Bottle of Cranberry juice
Sour Mix
olives
cherries


I replace the vodka and the tequila most often. (I think I went through 
two bottles of tequila in the last 18 months and one bottle of vodka). 
I have all kinds of other bottles of weird things that I have received 
as gifts. Lots of different kinds of coffee liqueurs, some 180 proof 
rum and a few other things I just havent gotten around to trying. 

I dont really know why I like to keep so much booze around but it does 
come in handy when people drop by unexpectedly because I can offer them 
a drink.
jep
response 13 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 19:13 UTC 2002

I used to like gin and tonics.  I also used to like Scotch and soda 
which I drank from a Florence flask.  It's been a long time since I've 
had either, and I haven't missed them all that much.

I also make some Irish coffee occasionally (about annually).  
slynne
response 14 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 19:38 UTC 2002

Oh wow. I havent had a gin a tonic in a long time. I should stop at the 
store and get some tonic because I have a friend coming from California 
who likes gin and tonics. 
jep
response 15 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 20:31 UTC 2002

A gin and tonic does sound kind of good to me right now.

I'm going to be responsible if we all turn into alcoholics as a result 
of this item.
slynne
response 16 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 29 20:39 UTC 2002

haha. I dont think I am in any danger of that. Which is weird because I 
do have an addictive personality. I am currently addicted to: Sugar, 
Nicotine, and Caffeine. 

But for some reason that I dont understand, I have always had a big 
take it or leave it attitude towards alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, 
opiates, lcd, Rx painkillers etc. I have tried all of those things and 
even used LCD somewhat regularly in my early 20s but I never had any 
trouble giving them up. In fact, I never did give them up. It just 
became too much of a bother to get them. *shrug* Well, I still drink 
once in a while but I wouldnt if it were illegal and hard to get. 

i
response 17 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 30 01:27 UTC 2002

If it's beer, my tastes generally oppose anything that's "big commercial
American" and most everything else.  I'd drink up to a couple six-packs
a month when Brewbaker's was open in Kerrytown - i liked like their stuff
overall better than any other beer brand i've had, i like buying from 
little local merchants, and i could buy mixed 6-packs (6 different kinds)
from them, so i couldn't get bored or annoyed with the kinds that i didn't
like as well.  Since then...hmmm...i enjoyed all six bottles (over a week)
of a Bell's Stout 6-pack once, but they aren't cheap or local, and deposit
bottles are a bother.

Most days i'll drink a single glass (~5 oz.) of econo-brand red wine.  It
jazzes up my fairly-monotonous eat-at-home diet a bit and is supposedly a
bit good for my heart.

I really didn't drink at all until i was well into my 30's.  This makes
me some sort of freak by most American's standards, but supposedly not
drinking until after 30 massively reduces the risk of alcoholism.
jep
response 18 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 30 02:13 UTC 2002

I can't imagine you as a beer drinker, Walt.  Of cousre it's been 
something like 12 years since I saw you.  I couldn't imagine me as a 
divorcee, either.

Tonight I tried Belk's ESB.  This is definitely the most bitter of the 
bitters beers I've tried.  I didn't like it that much; it was too 
bitter.  I'll try it again in a few days, I suppose; maybe I'll have a 
different impression then.

orinoco
response 19 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 30 03:35 UTC 2002

I've always liked gin.  I think it's because I've got very pleasant
associations with the smell of juniper.  It grows wild all over the place up
in Ontario where my family goes on vacation each year.  
jaklumen
response 20 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 30 08:24 UTC 2002

resp:12  probably more sour than bitter.  Hops are added as a 
preservative.  The ones we grow here in the Yakima Valley (in 
Toppenish) are alpha hops, as I've read, and are especially bitter, 
more so than European hops, which are mellower.

Hops are a natural sedative, which is why I suppose some folks drink a 
couple of beers as a "nightcap."  However, alcohol interferes with 
profound sleep, so despite the sedative, the quality of sleep isn't as 
good.  You get better results brewing hops into a tea, but I 
understand that stuff is NASTY.

I don't drink for religious dietary reasons and because when I 
started, I drank so excessively I feared alcoholism wasn't far away.
But-- when I did, I found cocktails were really my thing.  So as far 
as resp:12, I've had most all of those, although some were part of a 
mixed drink.

Bailey's is as smooth as a baby's bottom.  Boy, did I start getting 
snockered quick when I drank some of that!
Rum.. must be the pirate in me.
Sweet Vermouth: not bad, but I wasn't particularly enjoying it.  But 
then again, it was after about 10 cocktails, and I was drinking part 
of a bottle after polishing off another.  Yep, near falling down 
drunk, puked, everything.  Had to get Julie from work, too.  Not a 
good memory.
Bloody Mary: ugh-- what I had must have been spiced too heavy.  I'd 
rather stick to V-8's with Tabasco.
Margarita: never had one.
Vodka, Gin, Bourbon, Kahula: all part of mixed drinks
Wine Coolers: Why the hell do they call 'em 'wine' coolers?  They're 
malt beverages.  Not my fave.
Jack Daniel's: yum.  I don't care if people say it tastes like cough 
syrup.  But then, I like both NyQuil and green Chloroseptic.
as far as beer: yep, most macrobrews taste bad.  I'm sure micro or 
homebrew is better.  Can't remember which ale I tried that I liked.

Mead still intrigues me, but honestly, because I promised my wife, I 
don't think I'll care to drink again.  I mean, I was sipping through 
itty-bitty straws to get drunk faster. 
slynne
response 21 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 30 19:15 UTC 2002

I think wine coolers originally were made with wine. Basically wine 
mixed with fruit juices. Then someone figured out that you can make a 
malt beverage cheaper that tastes about the same. End of wine coolers. 
For some though, the name still stuck but you wont find the word "wine" 
on the label of those malt beverages. 
jaklumen
response 22 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 31 00:27 UTC 2002

Hey, what about cooking with alcohol?  Yeah, it evaporates the actual 
alcohol off, but the remaining flavor can be great..

Besides wine, many spirits are used for cooking.  I've had chicken 
cooked in Jack Daniels, in some sort of a sauce.  I also enjoy 
Johnsonville's Beer and Bratwurst brats, and I've had burgers 
barbequed in beer.  I've also seen many mustards and a few BBQ sauces 
that use ale or JD.
i
response 23 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 31 00:49 UTC 2002

Re: #18
By any decent definition of "beer drinker" that i can think up, i've
never been one.  How do you define it?

Do be careful about mixing alcohol, depression, and meds for the latter
together, jep.  Lots of people have gotten fried that way.

Re: #20
Macrobrews taste bad?  They mix 1-2 oz. of something that might be called
"real beer" if it was higher quality, 9-10 oz. of carbonated water, and 
1 oz. of the cheapest flavorless vodka that money can buy, stir, and call
the mix "beer".  It doesn't have enough taste to be qualify for either
"good" or "bad".  If you want taste, drink *anything* else; if you want 
to pee, drink tap water; if you want to get drunk cheap, get BargainBox
wine or (better) help for your alcoholism.  
jep
response 24 of 74: Mark Unseen   May 31 02:56 UTC 2002

re #23: I checked with my psychiatrist, after not having any beer for 
about 3 months; he assured me that it's fine to have a beer or glass of 
wine in the evening with the meds I'm taking.  He advised me not to 
have 6 every night.

A "beer drinker" is "one who enjoys drinking beer".  I just have 
trouble picturing you with a beer in your hand.

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