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omni
The Short Cooking Question Item Mark Unseen   Dec 11 05:26 UTC 1996

    I have a short question: 

   Is there such a thing as freezer marination? I ask because in a few days
I will be the proud owner of a dehydrator, and I am planning on making beef
jerky, which I love, but don't love paying 8 dollars a pound for. Anyhow,
I bought some nice chuck roast, and I tossed it in the freezer. I have some
marinade (powdered) that says can be prepared about an hour before cooking
and the meat will be fine. What I want to do is to make the marinade, thaw
the beef, and refreeze it in the marinade. I figure a few days in the freezer
and it'll taste heavenly. But is this worth it? Will the marinade actually
do any good? If it's a block of ice won't the molecules stop, and the
absorbtion of the marinade stop as well?

 thanks for your answers and comments
55 responses total.
chelsea
response 1 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 17:01 UTC 1996

I've never heard anyone ever mention such a technique so
I'm guessing here but I'd suspect it would not be the
kindest way to handle meat.  Every food product tends
to handle being frozed better if there is less moisture
involved.  Celery will turn to mush because of its
high water content.  Ham also doesn't freeze well for
the same reason.  Beef tolerates freezing pretty well
but if you have it soak up a bunch of marinade first
I'm not so sure it won't suffer some in terms of
texture when defrosted.  Just a guess.
popcorn
response 2 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 17:16 UTC 1996

I seem to remember that you're not posedta freeze things more than once,
especially meats.  I don't remember if the rule was because of sanitation,
food taste, or lost nutritional value.
omni
response 3 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 20:31 UTC 1996

  I think that I'd be better off not implemeting my idea. Freezing is 
sort of brutal, and upon further though this is idea was a little less than
half baked ;)
chelsea
response 4 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 21:03 UTC 1996

I'd be interested in hearing more about your dehydrating
experiences though, when you'd had some. ;-)
I've always been fond of dried cinnamon apple slices.
omni
response 5 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 04:17 UTC 1996

  I'm hoping to make my own raisins, and dehydrated watermelon, but that
might not work since I have a serious watermelon addiction, and I have
done nothing to curb it. ;)
  Of course I'll share my experiences, for this is what Grex is all about!
ajax
response 6 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 08:09 UTC 1996

Dehydrated water melon?  What would be left??  (And don't say "melon!" :-)
chelsea
response 7 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 13:50 UTC 1996

Pink sugar? ;-)
omni
response 8 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 08:10 UTC 1996

  The first batch of jerky only took 18 hours to make. The book says 24-48,
but I suspect that it would've been really tough had I left it for 24.
I marinaded it in McCormick beef Mesquite marinade, for about an hour and
it's pretty flavorful, and hot. I'm probably going to make a teriyaki batch,
and a batch with some home made marinades. I'll keep you posted. Oh, the cost
wasn't that bad, either. The chuck roast only set me back 3 bux, and the
marinade was a buck, so for 4 bux, I got nearly 3 pounds of jerky.

This is going to be a beautiful thing
chelsea
response 9 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:10 UTC 1996

Did Santa come to your house early, Jim?  You must have
been a extremely good boy. ;-)
omni
response 10 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 22 04:28 UTC 1996

 I was good this year. Yes, Santa came on Thursday in the form of UPS. Only
sent the order off on the 3rd. ;(

  I'm about to embark on the second batch using top round. &^%$# 2.28 a pound.
but I was assured that this will be even better.
omni
response 11 of 55: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 10:10 UTC 1997

  That was a consummate flop. First, I had the beef cut way too thin, and thus
it dried too fast and like paper. Second, I used some crappy Oriental marinade
from McCormick.

  I just put the third batch in, and corrected some mistakes. This time I used
flank steak. I cut it to 1/4 inch, and marinaded it in the following:

  1/4 c soy sauce
  2tsps liquid smoke
  2tsps brown sugar 

  Hopefully this will be the charm. I'll keep you posted.
e4808mc
response 12 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 18:52 UTC 1997

OK you chocolate fans.  I'm in search of the ultimate chocolate muffin recipe.
This is a debt of honor, so even though I've never *heard* of chocolate
muffins, I must learn to make them.  Help, help!
davel
response 13 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 02:09 UTC 1997

It's not a recipe, Catriona, but try Barry Bagel's chocolate/chocolate-chip
muffins.  ("Cupcakes" would be a better word for it, in this case.) 
Jonathan's restaurant on Jackson Ave. has also been known to serve
chocolate-chip muffins, much more clearly muffins-with-chocolate-chips than
Barry's things.
valerie
response 14 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 22 12:05 UTC 1997

I once experimentally used chocolate chips instead of blueberries in my
favorite blueberry muffin recipe.  The combination with the lemon juice tasted
rather weird.  (Big help I am!)  :S

Olga's, at Briarwood, sells gigantic chocolate muffins.

I would think that if you mixed cocoa powder or melted baker's chocolate into
any old muffin recipe, you'd end up with chocolate muffins.  Hm.
e4808mc
response 15 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 22 17:03 UTC 1997

Joy of cooking suggests replacing 1/4 cup flour with 1/4 cup cocoa in a quick
cake recipe.  I'm not sure how melted chocolate would change the chemical mix,
since they use baking powder leavening.  
mary
response 16 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 02:51 UTC 1997

I looked in my Williams-Sonoma Muffins and Quick Breads and
did indeed find a recipe for chocolate muffins.  In fact it's
called something like triple chocolate muffins and they are
described as brownie-like and call for some very rich ingredients.

If you are interested in this recipe I'll enter it.  But make
sure your will is up to date first - these look like death
by chocolate. ;-)
e4808mc
response 17 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 04:01 UTC 1997

Do you think they will turn out more like cupcakes or like muffins?
mary
response 18 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 13:35 UTC 1997

Muffins.  Heavy muffins.
e4808mc
response 19 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 20:09 UTC 1997

Ok, post the recipe, or email it and I'll give it a try.
mary
response 20 of 55: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 21:39 UTC 1997

Triple Chocolate Muffins  
************************

3 squares (3 oz.) unsweetened chocolate
3 squares (3 oz.) semi-sweet chocolate
1/4 cup unsalted butter
1/2 cup all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1/4 teaspoon salt
2 eggs
1/2 cup sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 teaspoon instant coffee granules
1/2 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips
1/2 cup chopped walnuts

Preheat an oven to 350 degrees.  Butter standard
muffin tins.  Combine the unsweetened and semi-sweet
chocolates and the butter in the top pan of a double
boiler and place over simmering water.  Stir frequently
until melted and smooth.  Set aside to cool slightly.

In a small bowl stir and toss together the flour, baking
powder and salt; set aside.  In another bowl combine the 
eggs, sugar, vanilla and coffee granules.  Beat until 
light and about double in volume.  Beat in the chocolate
mixture and then the combined dry ingredients just until
blended.  Stir in the chocolate chips and walnuts.
The mixture will be stiff, almost like dough.

Spoon into the prepared muffin tins, filling each cup
about 2/3 full.  Using moistened fingertips, smooth the
top of each muffin.  Bake until they look dry on top,
about 15 minutes.  Do not overbake; the centers should 
remain moist.  Cool in the tins for 10 minutes then
remove.

Makes 12 standard muffins.

From: _Muffins and Quick Breads_, Williams-Sonoma


scott
response 21 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 01:49 UTC 1997

At the coop replenishing my baking supplies I noticed they don't seem to carry
shortening.  Is there some better alternative, or else...?  I asked, but the
guy I asked didn't know.
valerie
response 22 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 02:30 UTC 1997

I use butter whenever a recipe calls for shortening.  Things taste a tiny bit
different, and white frosting comes out yellow, but other than that it works
okay.  If I remember right, butter is higher in saturated fat than shortening,
but shortening has more of the evil trans fatty acids, so it really isn't any
better.
i
response 23 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 02:51 UTC 1997

My impression is that there are some things that you can do with shortening
where butter won't work.  
gracel
response 24 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 12:57 UTC 1997

I learned "shortening" as a word from my mother's recipe cards, and she told
me that it meant any kind of butter, margarine, oil, fat stuff; we used
usually margarine, sometimes lard.  Culturally these days it seems to mean 
thoroughly hydrogenated soybean oil.  I'm not much of a cook, but I use
liquid oil or chicken fat or occasionally margarine or very occasionally
butter.
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