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debayan1
Hillary vs. Bill --- "Living History" Mark Unseen   Jun 16 22:36 UTC 2003

Are women more forgiving than men? or she was more a president's wife 
than a wife only?
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debayan1
response 1 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 22:45 UTC 2003

It is rare a man who doesn't treat a woman as a trophy ( except in 
communist society).Very few men look beyond a pretty face and sexy 
lookings for companionship, intelligence and stimulation. In a 
capitalist society, the world is in between the stomach and below the 
stomach,it has two issues,"zoru" and "Zameen".
polytarp
response 2 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 00:47 UTC 2003

You also hate homosexuals.
debayan1
response 3 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 15:21 UTC 2003

Hey Poly whats this? How homo comes into the picture?
And as per new law Canada becomes the (safe) home for HOMOS.What's an 
improvement. Do you support the new legislation?
rcurl
response 4 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 17:34 UTC 2003

I do. Marriage is a civil/economic arrangement for sharing life, and I
see no reason why it should not be available to any adults, regardless of
other factors. What reasons do you see for limiting it to couples of opposite
sex?
jmsaul
response 5 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 12:05 UTC 2003

I agree with Rane.
novomit
response 6 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 17:26 UTC 2003

Ditto. 
keesan
response 7 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 21:12 UTC 2003

Rane, would you limit it to formerly unrelated adults, or a certain number
of adults?
rcurl
response 8 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 01:08 UTC 2003

Are you referring to issues of consanguity and bigamy? Those would take
the issue to an entirely different level. I would have to consider what
is being asked of a contract involving people in such relations. 
gelinas
response 9 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 02:27 UTC 2003

Consanguity is an issue only if the union is likely to produce children.
When we get far enough along in reproductive technology for same-sex
couples to use their own germ matter for children, we'll be far enough
along to eliminate the problems of consanguinity.

Polygamy (inlcuding both polygyny and polyandry) is a different matter.
However, it seems to me that the changes to the law necessary to recognise
same-sex unions would be likely to make solving the legal problems
(inheritance, for instance) of polygamy much easier, probably reducing
them to trivial.
keesan
response 10 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 08:32 UTC 2003

The union could produce children whether or not it was legal.  Legalizing a
union gives people economic advantages such as health insurance and
inheritance without tax (which the Republicans seem to have abolished anyway).
My two great aunts lived together for maybe 40 years.  Another friend lived
with his sisters until they died.  Should they be allowed to be an economic
unit?
jmsaul
response 11 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 12:24 UTC 2003

If they're sharing expenses, they are an economic unit.  If they want the
economic benefits of marriage, they can get *most* of them through various
legal agreements.  About the only things they can't get are the ability to
file taxes as a couple (which isn't a benefit unless there's a significant
income disparity, it's a detriment) and the ability to put the other person
on their health insurance.  There are some other situations where it can
become a problem as well, especially if there are other antagonistic blood
relatives around, but those are the big ones.
keesan
response 12 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 20:34 UTC 2003

In New York City, can two people rent an apartment with both of them on the
lease if they are not married?
mynxcat
response 13 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 22:00 UTC 2003

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keesan
response 14 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 03:03 UTC 2003

NYC has rent control.  I think perhaps nobody wants to rent to two unmarried
people because this could start a chain of people who won't leave, and you
need to have people leave once in a while so you can 'improve' the place and
thus raise the rent.  My aunt's landlord tried to raise their rent when they
brought in their own refrigerator.  My grandfather was paying $90/month for
a five room apartment in Brooklyn until the mid 80s.  
jmsaul
response 15 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 14:03 UTC 2003

I don't know, but they certainly can in Ann Arbor.
mynxcat
response 16 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 15:24 UTC 2003

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keesan
response 17 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 02:08 UTC 2003

Rent control means you cannot raise the rent unless you 'improve' the place.
This encourages people to live in the same apartment for ever and makes it
very hard to find a place to live.  It also discourages the landlord from
doing any maintenance until a tenant leaves.
debayan1
response 18 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 16:03 UTC 2003

The marriage is not only a social prostituition but also a great 
understanding,feeling of togetherness and the dependency when sexual 
urges become less important.Its the strongest pillar of human society.
Everything becomes useless in absence of this one. So there must be 
normal relationship among human beings.Afterall the birth of every 
child shows that the god still has great hope about the human race.
Any abnormal relationship must be avoided and must not be encouraged, 
otherwise there will be mess and sub-human attitudes in the society.
rcurl
response 19 of 20: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 17:54 UTC 2003

I wouldn't put it that way, but I agree with the notion that society must
regulate some aspects of procreation, in order to ensure that the young
are mostly properly cared for, since they will in their time inherit
society.  It has been apparent, however, that what might be considered an
"abnormal relationship" is usually based on subjective opinions, and not
always well based in what best serves society.

debayan1
response 20 of 20: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 23:36 UTC 2004

whats the conclusion?
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