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peacefrg
Backpacking Techniques Mark Unseen   Nov 23 14:40 UTC 1994

Backpacking techniques for lighter packs and less awkward packs.

Can somebody help me.
Thanks
27 responses total.
rcurl
response 1 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 14:57 UTC 1994

I'll always remember cutting my toothbrush in half, to lessen weight.
Its been a while since I've done serious backpacking, but I have lived
out of my pack for up to a week, several times in the High Sierra. We
travelled "high and light": no tent (but a tarp); dried food; minimum
clothing; cook-kit (then, you could cook over a fire - now you usually
have to carry a gas or kero stove and fuel). I have a "Kelty" frome
pack, but sewed up the pack myself, with *extra* outside pockets. 
There are numerous books on all this now. What in particular do you
seek (and what weather will you contend with)?
peacefrg
response 2 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 19:33 UTC 1994

Well, weather is variable. I live in Michigan so I have to contend with snow, 
heat, and rain. What I was looking for was just little tips on things I haven't
thought of. I like the toothbrush Idea. Oh, and also I'm looking for ways to
pack light food cheaply. Without a dehydrator Or buying Dehydrated foods. They
are really expensive. Thanks for the suggestions rane.
rcurl
response 3 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 00:32 UTC 1994

The problem in Michigan is finding an enoyable route to backpack -
especially after the High Sierra. Up in the UP mountains is probably
the best bet. I've been over a few miles of the Bruce Trail in Ontario,
for a few days. Yes, dehydrated food is expensive, but consider all
the other expenses in backpacking (clothes, *good boots*, pack, stove,
cookkit, camera....), and how often you do it: its a small part of the
cost. But, do it! Some of the most enjoyable periods of my life were
in the mountains, dependent only upon myself (and the gear I had
packed!).
peacefrg
response 4 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 01:07 UTC 1994

I've cut the costs on equiptment trmendously because I 'native camp'.
I don't take a tent or tarp because I build my shelter at my spot. 
And talking about Michigan, Actually one of the most beautiful places that I've
camped in the U.S is Pictured Rocks State Forest, Right on the chapel falls
beach. I could live there...Isle Royal Is a close second.
rcurl
response 5 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 06:12 UTC 1994

Hmmmm...in Michigan, with its all-night soakers, I'm inclined to carry a
tent. I'd rather enjoy myself, than prove I could (try to) stay dry with
'native camp'. In the High Sierra, in the summer, it rained a little every
afternoon between 5 and 6 pm - so a poncho was nice, but no tent was
needed. (There was the exception, however, when we linked all our ponchos
into a lean-to, for an all-night soaker.)

Here's another essential for Michigan camping - a "bug jacket". It is an
open mesh jacket, very light, which you saturate with DEET. It is much
better than slapping DEET on your skin, and makes life quite bareable in
the worst black-fly season (I learned of them from the Krugers, who canoed
from the Arctic Circle to Terra del Fuego, and had to survive the spring
bug season in the Canadian tundra).

Which reminds me of a week-long canoe trip down the Missinabe River
in Ontario. Not quite the same as backpacking, but there is some of
that, on portages. You do want to travel light. We scheduled that so
that a) the ice was out (well, most of it was...), and b) the bugs
were not yet in.
jdg00
response 6 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 10:03 UTC 1994

This item is now item #50 in the "...ing" conference.
chelsea
response 7 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 13:16 UTC 1994

Ah, memories.  I spent a good chunk of every summer as a child
wandering around Isle Royale.  What a wonderful rock.
peacefrg
response 8 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 01:26 UTC 1994

Did you live there?
chelsea
response 9 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 13:37 UTC 1994

No, very few people "live" there.  My mother and father loved to
fish and each year we'd spend about a month on the island while
they trolled lake trout.  I did a fair about of hiking and what
I couldn't reach by foot I saw by seaplane.  One of my all time
places on earth is Duncan Bay, Isle Royale.
n8nxf
response 10 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 14:20 UTC 1994

Ahh, memories indeed!  I've been backpacking on Isle Royale twice.
we got there and back via the Island Queen II out of Copper Harbor,
a more proper introduction to the island.  We boiled every drop of
our drinking water and carried all of our food.  I really like that
island!  I want to go back with my kayak some time.
chelsea
response 11 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 16:57 UTC 1994

I've arrived by Queen, Ranger II, and seaplane.  And yes, by far
the most adventerous way is on the Queen.  You will have earned
your R&R if you traveled Superior, in rough sea, on the Queen.

I hear the island, of late, has become something of a skin diving
mecca.  One of these years I really should go back and see how much
smaller it's become.
n8nxf
response 12 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 19:26 UTC 1994

Skin diving?  In Lake Superior?  Brrrrr!I dove in off the dock at Daisy
Farm but stayed in just long enough to get wet.  That was in August too.
We were luck in our crossings in that Superior was always calm.  I've
heard that boat refered to other things by those less fortunate.
chelsea
response 13 of 27: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 20:45 UTC 1994

Are skin diving and scuba diving the same thing?  They type of
diving they're doing involves wet suits and tanks and the
exploration of some of the old shipwrecks off Blake's Point.
rcurl
response 14 of 27: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 07:05 UTC 1994

That's scuba. Not much skin shows - covered by psychodelic foam rubber.
jdg00
response 15 of 27: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 15:13 UTC 1994

Dry suits are the most common form of environmental protection used in
Superior diving.  At depth, the wrecks around Isle Royal are in water 
around 34-39 F, depending on season.
 
When I dive with my dry suit, I prefer water temps either  above 54 or
below 45.  In between, the exposed bits of skin around your mouth get
very very cold.

However, this item is about backpacking, not diving.
n8nxf
response 16 of 27: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 13:20 UTC 1994

Are you saying that these exposed bits of skin don't get cold below 45 or
above 54?  Why not below 45?
jdg00
response 17 of 27: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 00:12 UTC 1994

Above 54 they don't feel cold, below 45 they numb quickly.  In between, they
feel COLD.
peacefrg
response 18 of 27: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 16:23 UTC 1994

I started a diving item.  #39
otterwmn
response 19 of 27: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:42 UTC 1995

I remember <sigh> the trip to Pictured Rocks. Lesson learned: don't take 
along novices if you are a serious hiker/camper. Or if you must take them,
insist that they have proper gear. I remember a certain gym bag...
kentn
response 20 of 27: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 04:33 UTC 1995

Speaking of proper gear...what gear do you consider proper for a
trip such as the one you too to Pictured Rocks?
rcurl
response 21 of 27: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 06:15 UTC 1995

Depends on how far you go and how long you stay. But *not* gym bags.
n8nxf
response 22 of 27: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 13:16 UTC 1995

Didn't they bulldoze blacktop right up to Pictured rocks a few years
back?
srw
response 23 of 27: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 07:00 UTC 1995

There's still a little hike left from the parking lot, but it's not
like it used to be.
rcurl
response 24 of 27: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 06:38 UTC 1995

There is the trail that runs the full length of the "Rocks" (but
I've been on only a little of it - haven't overnighted).
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