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<uh huh huh huh> this sucks <uh huh huh huh>
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Dec 18 04:57 UTC 1994 |
At Alpena High School in Alpena, Michigan, there are a couple of school
administrators who believe that the word "sucks" is "inappropriate" language
. They therfore consider it swearing and you get reprimanded in you say it.
A kid wore a shirt to school with the word "sucks" on it and they made him
turn it inside out. This seems stupid in the first place, but it really
was stupid because it actually said "racism sucks" , a good message. But
because of the forbidden "s" word which we now refer to as "forcefully in-
haled", the t-shirt was taboo.
What do you think about this?
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scg
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response 1 of 40:
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Dec 18 06:48 UTC 1994 |
While I often get tired of hearing the word sucks excessively, I wouldn't
infringe on anybody's right to say it. Furthermore, when administrators
have the right to dictate speech on shirts, they can then move from
regulating words they don't like to banning opinions they don't like. And
if it starts on shirts, it can spread to bans on other things. It's a
very dangerous slippery slope. Unfortunately, there's not too much you
can do about it easily, although you might have a case if you took i tto
court. The best defense against something like that is just to refuse to
follow the directions. No school wants the publicity of having suspended
somebody because of the wording on their shirt.
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gerund
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response 2 of 40:
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Dec 18 16:13 UTC 1994 |
I suppose I would have told them to go to hell had they told me to turn
my shirt inside out, but then I was anything but a 'good' kid in high school.
It's just plain stupid.
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flem
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response 3 of 40:
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Dec 18 17:20 UTC 1994 |
I know somene who brought a cane to school one day, and was told that he
wasn't allowed to bring it. Since ther is nothing of the sort in the
school rules, he refused to stop bringing it, and kept bringing it every day
for a while. He told me that he would have stopped if they had just admitted
that it wasn't in the rules and that they were just making an arbitrary
decision, but they kept insisting that it was in the rules. I don't know how
it ended.
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other
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response 4 of 40:
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Dec 19 17:29 UTC 1994 |
Steve, the slippery slope concept is fallacious, and its use implies that
there is no personal threshold of tolerance or intolerance in any person
or organization which makes revolutionary, even if minor, changes in policy.
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scg
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response 5 of 40:
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Dec 20 05:18 UTC 1994 |
Where do you draw the line, Eric? My experience with what's been
happening at Community lately, if not with a dress code, is that the
slippery slope comes into play very easily when making what start out as
minor rules that people almost don't notice.
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other
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response 6 of 40:
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Dec 20 19:01 UTC 1994 |
There is a difference between a slippery slope and an agenda. An agenda to
the uninitiated may look like a slippery slope, especially if it is cunningly
pursued.
A common tactic is to create a rule, law, regulation, or ordinance, then not
enforece it for a year or two, then when enforcing it say, "it's been on the
books for a couple of years, where have you been?" or something like that.
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flem
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response 7 of 40:
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Dec 22 17:40 UTC 1994 |
Speaking of this topic, has everyone heard of the new rule at Pioneer?
You are no longer allowed to wear gloves in the school building,
because they are seen as "gang symbols." Naturally there are those who
are adamantly opposed to such a rule, and I've heard some pretty
interesting arguments against it. I have yet to hear a good argument for
it.
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other
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response 8 of 40:
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Dec 22 17:53 UTC 1994 |
Reductio ad absurdam!!!!!!!!!!!
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carson
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Dec 22 22:41 UTC 1994 |
flem, it sounds like another walk-out might be in order. I feel more strongly
than ever that the practices of your current administration are paranoid and
unwarranted, and that they reflect the views of people who are well past
their prime as effective administrators for Pioneer High School.
Diplomatically, I'd see them reassigned elsewhere in the AAPS where they're
more needed.
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randall
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response 10 of 40:
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Dec 23 02:02 UTC 1994 |
Oh Carson, will you ever let that horrible place go? I mean, it's been
over a year now.
And I could be mistaken, but wasn't the last walk-out a humiliating
display and an over-all failure?
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carson
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response 11 of 40:
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Dec 23 05:11 UTC 1994 |
what do you mean?
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face
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response 12 of 40:
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Dec 25 00:18 UTC 1994 |
I always run in the hall, seeing as there is no rule about it in the books.
I checked. When they say slow down, I just whiz by them and yell "There's no
rule against it!" but then they knab me for yelling, its disruptive.
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swa
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Dec 26 08:57 UTC 1994 |
I have a kind of strange schedule this year -- four hours and a sixth hour
twice a week -- which means I usually spend fifth hour sitting quietly in
the hall somewhere, reading or doing homework or something. I don't think
I can count the number of times I've been reprimanded for the crime of
being in the hall. Technically it is against the rules, I suppose, but I
think the hall monitors could find better things to do. I mean, I'm not
smoking anything, I'm not making any noise, I'm not making a mess, I'm not
being particularly rude or disruptive. I'm just sitting there. But I'm
IN THE HALL. <sigh> Well, I've survived Pioneer for three years, I guess
I can make it another few months. I think...
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flem
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Dec 27 04:07 UTC 1994 |
sure, you can, sara. We'll help however we can. I still think you should
come sit in the band room. Mr A. really won't bite your head off.
Carson, I don't think you'll get any argument from me about the quality
(or lack thereof) of the administration at Prisoner High school.
They won't even let us leave the lunchroom during lunch, even to go talk
to a teacher. It really is starting to feel like a jail.
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lynne
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response 15 of 40:
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Dec 27 04:44 UTC 1994 |
don't worry...college is a LOT better. <but I couldn't believe how long
it took to get used to people wearing baseball caps to class!>
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carson
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Dec 27 16:05 UTC 1994 |
flem, swa, you need to start smoking in the halls. parade nude. leave
metronomes going in your lockers. roll bowling balls down the hall during
class time. sing the national anthem before the start of every class.
honk your horn as you approach your school. eat lunch with your principals.
give presents to your teachers. make sure you've got a 4.0 as you do all
of this.
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flem
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response 17 of 40:
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Dec 28 03:18 UTC 1994 |
I'll pass on the smoking and nudity. The rest sounds cool, tho.
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face
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response 18 of 40:
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Dec 29 00:11 UTC 1994 |
I know a kid who got suspended for writing "MEAT HOOK SODOMY" in big letters
on the inside of his locker, in permanent marker. He deserved it.
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other
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response 19 of 40:
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Dec 29 05:26 UTC 1994 |
Gee, my senior year in High School, I had two lockers because someone in a
previous year had ripped out the wall between them...
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carson
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Dec 29 11:32 UTC 1994 |
re #18: I put the word "sodomy" in a newspaper and graduated!
well, pribly not *because* of that, but you get the picture...
no one ever looked at my locker. not even me.
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flem
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response 21 of 40:
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Dec 29 23:05 UTC 1994 |
I have a locker. It won't open. I've never seen the inside of it.
I don't really care, 'cuz I wouldn't use it anyway.
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swa
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response 22 of 40:
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Dec 31 08:46 UTC 1994 |
I have and use a locker. I think the worst thing I've put in there so far
is a tangerine (probably moldy by now), but I'm open to suggestions...
Can you imagine what Dr. Jones would do if the entire student body paraded
nude down the halls? The mind boggles.
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carson
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response 23 of 40:
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Dec 31 09:03 UTC 1994 |
he'd take pictures, of course.
did I ever tell you about the time I saw Dr. Jones and Mr.
Hayward coming out of the administrative wing with Dr. J
adjusting his pants? I remember making a lewd remark at the
time to the two of them being butt buddies, but I digress.
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swa
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response 24 of 40:
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Dec 31 09:36 UTC 1994 |
Uh, no... I don't think you did.
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