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Grex > Homme > #49: What I Like About Being Male | |
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birdlady
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What I Like About Being Male
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Dec 25 20:54 UTC 1997 |
Since this sort of item has gone over fairly well in the Femme cf, I figured I
would enter one in the Homme cf. So, men, what do you like best about being
male? I can think of a ton of reasons why I *love* men, so now it's your turn
to brag. =)
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orinoco
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response 1 of 81:
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Dec 28 03:56 UTC 1997 |
Hmm...
I like the fact that people don't assume I'm weak or incompetent - I don't
feel like I have to prove myself to people the same way women seem to have
to.
I like not having to deal with periods, or PMS, or worrying about getting
pregnant, although in a way I'm also a bit jealous of that.
As insignificant as it sounds, I like being able to go to the bathroom
standing up.
I like not having to worry about walking alone at night, but I also feel a
bit guilty when I realize how lucky I am in that respect.
Actually, it surprises me how hard a time I have coming up with this list...
hmm...
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birdlady
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response 2 of 81:
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Dec 28 04:26 UTC 1997 |
Orinoco - I'm extremely envious of the "unzip and whip" feature, especially
when I'm hiking or camping.
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md
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response 3 of 81:
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Dec 28 13:37 UTC 1997 |
Peeing standing up is a big plus. Facial hair and the need to scrape
it off every single day is a minus, but having the choice of letting
it grow if you like more than offsets that.
Some comedian (Tim Allen or Dennis Leary) taunts the women in the
audience by casually dropping the line: "Of course, we own all the
good stuff." ("We" meaning men.) It gets a big cheer from the men
in the audience and nervous laughter from the women. It may be more
or less true, but I'm not sure it's an advantage for any particular
man or a disadvantage for any woman. It's like being an alumnus of
U. of M. and bragging about "your" school going to the Rose Bowl.
It give you a boost psychologically, but it's not going to pay your
mortgage. Also, not only do we own all the good stuff, but we own
all the really bad stuff as well, and we have the responsibility
that comes with ownership of stuff, good or bad. Still, we do
own it all. Can't deny that.
This next one is controversial and I know a lot of hands are going
to go up, but... Men are *way* more competent with mechanical
things. It's true. And I'm beginning to think there's a genetic
element of some kind to it. The exceptions (put your hands down,
please) are few and far between, and, frankly ladies, not very
impressive. The biggest exception I've ever seen was a fictional
character: Marisa Tomei's character in the movie "My Cousin Vinnie,"
who said her work history included "tune-ups, lube jobs, rebuilt a
few trannies" -- and that was like seeing a dog trained to walk on
its hind legs. So unusual and impressive was it that Tomei won an
Oscar for making it even a little bit believable. ;-)
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mary
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response 4 of 81:
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Dec 28 14:21 UTC 1997 |
Just what it is that men "own", Michael?
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md
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response 5 of 81:
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Dec 28 17:23 UTC 1997 |
The Fortune 500. The banks, the investment houses, the insurance
companies.
Land. Airlines. Trucking companies. Shipping companies.
The great private libraries and art collections.
Most of the small businesses and franchises.
You know, stuff like that.
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mary
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response 6 of 81:
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Dec 28 22:10 UTC 1997 |
I thought the stockholders owned most of those things and
last I heard women were buying stocks too, in large numbers.
The artwork is owned by married couples, mostly, or being held in trusts
to keep the taxperson at bay. Businesses and franchises are not owned by
men to the extent they can claim ownership over ownership. Banks and
insurance companies are *run* by old white men. Their time is almost up.
Shall we throw them a going away party when they die?
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md
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response 7 of 81:
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Dec 29 23:08 UTC 1997 |
> Banks and insurance companies are *run* by old
> white men. Their time is almost up. Shall we
> throw them a going away party when they die?
Why the emphasis on "run"? "Run" as opposed to what? Owned? But
they're owned *and* run by men ("old white" ones, too, as you say).
As to who replaces them when they die, the comedian I mentioned was
only playing off an oft-repeated and well-justified feminist complaint.
If it's about to be no longer true, then, all kidding aside, women
won't be able to complain anymore, will they? If I thought there was
the smallest chance of *that* happening I'd gladly join you in nursing
the preposterous hope that the current Gnomes of Zurich will be
replaced by lady gnomes when they die. I'd even go over there and
whack a couple of gnomes myself.
> Businesses and franchises are not owned by men to
> the extent they can claim ownership over ownership.
75% of all private corporations are owned by men, and these male-owned
corporations generate 92% of the revenues of all private corporations.
If you want to say that's not enough to "claim ownership over
ownership," whatever that means, I won't argue with you. I'm too busy
counting my money.
> I thought the stockholders owned most of those
> things and last I heard women were buying stocks
> too, in large numbers.
I'm also too busy counting my money to look up what the percent of
women-owned equity in public corporations is, but I bet it isn't very
big. I don't know about these investrices you claim exist "in large
numbers"; but there's no denying that there are some *staggering* blocks
of stock in the hands of little old ladies who inherited them from
their husbands. I'm rather fond of little old ladies, however, so I
won't suggest throwing them a going-away party when they die. (There
are also the first-wives-club jackpot-winners like Ivana Trump. You
can have her.)
Anyway, I only said it was "more or less true." There are always
exceptions. So we own *almost* all of science, technology, commerce,
finance, transportation, communications, energy, real estate, sports
and the arts. I won't deny that women own almost all of everything
else. ;-)
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orinoco
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response 8 of 81:
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Dec 29 23:35 UTC 1997 |
Mary, much as I hate to admit it, md's right on that one. Yes, women do own
stocks, companies, etc. - I'm not disputing that - but you can't claim that
the ground is equal here. The corporate world is made up overwhelmingly of
men, and the higher up you go the truer that is.
I wouldn't say it was something I was _proud_ of, certainly it's not one of
the reasons I like my gender, but hey, to each his own...
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i
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response 9 of 81:
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Dec 29 23:59 UTC 1997 |
Too, women have come much farther in stock ownership than in executive
suite residency. Current corporate culture is that the latter really
means far more than the former.
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mary
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response 10 of 81:
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Dec 30 03:10 UTC 1997 |
I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view things are
getting better for women. When I see that 75% of all private
corporations are owned by men (your stated figures) that
makes me feel quite good. I mean, the ideal figure would be
50%, right? And women have only been playing the game for
maybe the last 20 years or so.
I'd also bet that if you counted all of the stock owned by
women, either jointly with their spouse, or individually,
it would amount to quite a chunk of corporate assets.
I call that ownership. I'm not talking about little old
ladies who hold vast amounts of B&O Railroad. I'm talking
about your female neighbor, your daughter's female teacher,
the waitress at Big Boy. Scary, eh? Our money is just
as green.
Sexist corporate policy is indeed still a problem, but it's
getting better. Check out the backlash at Avon right now
over the installation of a male CEO. Stockholders are not
amused. And I think similar companies are watching with
interest.
But go ahead, think of yourself (men) as owning it all.
Just don't forget to ask permission before buying anything
with *your* money. ;-)
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valerie
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response 11 of 81:
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Dec 30 17:27 UTC 1997 |
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i
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response 12 of 81:
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Dec 31 00:01 UTC 1997 |
If you want to test the REAL native cooking ability of a manly man, do
it out in the middle of nowhere on a men-only macho tough wilderness trip.
Given real hunger, macho reinforcement, and no way to dump the job on a
woman, pizza joint, etc., most men quickly prove that they weren't born
to be worthless in a kitchen, just raised that way.
Not sure how much of a gender bias there is to techno-mechanical ability
(remember Rosie the Riveter?), or how far socialization pushes things
from their "natural" state, but i'll certainly vouch for the powerful
genetic influence in that area. I spent a couple evenings over at my
sister's a few winters ago fixing a garage door opener that had "died"
the coldest week of the year. Each night, a niece spent most of the
time out in the garage with me (choice, or maternal command? dunno).
One was willing to help, but ignored my work and chatted unless given
direction. The other wanted both continuous tasks she could do to help
and continuous explanation of how the opener worked, what might be wrong
with it, the logic behind my troubleshooting choices, etc., etc. Every-
thing i've seen & heard about them suggests that their differing interests
are NOT environmentally based. Any problem guessing which one will grow
up to be better at the various macho & nerdly arts?
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orinoco
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response 13 of 81:
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Dec 31 03:10 UTC 1997 |
(It occurs to me that enjoying being male because 'men are better mechanics'
and enjoying being female because 'women are more flexible' or 'women are more
open' aren't too far apart, and nobody's objecting to the stereotypes on the
female side. I don't know whether the difference in reactions is justified
or not...)
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valerie
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response 14 of 81:
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Dec 31 05:23 UTC 1997 |
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mary
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response 15 of 81:
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Dec 31 06:03 UTC 1997 |
I think there are enough exceptions to these stereotypes that
they are useful only to those who need to feel part of a group.
Some get a sense of "specialness" from being part of a religion.
Some get it from having similar color skin. Some get it from
sharing similar genitals.
All those who can assemble a bicycle on Christmas Eve now
raise their hands. But I don't think those who can't are
any more likely to be sitting near the tree in a lotus positon.
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md
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response 16 of 81:
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Dec 31 13:39 UTC 1997 |
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md
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response 17 of 81:
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Dec 31 14:12 UTC 1997 |
The traditional feminist explanation for the huge discrepancy in
culinary abilities between men and women is that the patriarchy
keeps women confined to the kitchen (and the nursery) so they won't
be able to compete with men in the workplace. If there was ever
any truth in that, you'd think it would've entropied itself away
to nothingness by now. I, for one, am offended by the stereotype
of the cartoon dad in his barbecue apron and singed-off eyebrows
standing over a pile of unrecognizably burnt gobbets of meat on
the grill, or the hapless husband cracking an egg on the counter
and then trying to carry it messily over to the frying pan on the
stove, as his wife stands amusedly by.
Luckily, I belong to yet another of those groups that Mary says
impart a sense of "specialness" to their members: I'm Italian.
As a result, I fit the equally cartoonish, yet, in this case,
accurate stereotype of the man who will shove everyone else of both
sexes and all ages out of "his" kitchen, at gunpoint if need be, so
he can create, from scratch, a pot of delicious pasta sauce,
complete with meatballs or sausage or whatever the family request,
as depicted in one movie after another. Think of Danny Aiello in
"Two Days in the Valley" or Paul Sorvino and Ray Liotta in
"GoodFellas." (Note that they have to get actual Italians to play
these parts. No amount of mere acting can make you look like you
know what you're doing in the kitchen.) In general, though, I
agree that my fellow testiculo-Americans are lamentably deprived in
this area. Any time you're tired of the meatloaf and stuffed
cabbage, guys...
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orinoco
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response 18 of 81:
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Dec 31 16:56 UTC 1997 |
Mary - while I agree with what you're saying, it's interesting that nobody's
raised that objection in the version of this item in femme...
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md
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response 19 of 81:
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Dec 31 21:24 UTC 1997 |
What do *you* think the reason is, 'noco?
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valerie
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response 20 of 81:
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Jan 2 15:18 UTC 1998 |
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i
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response 21 of 81:
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Jan 2 15:38 UTC 1998 |
Women have the attribute of being able to have babies.
(*really* impressive upbringing)
Men have the attribute of being macho stupid jerks.
(can't help it, genetic, not our fault, more denial, etc.)
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orinoco
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response 22 of 81:
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Jan 2 16:05 UTC 1998 |
Re #19: I can't say for certain, but I'd guess it's something similar to the
discrepancy valerie's talking about.
I think part of it is that 'women's work' has been made little of for so long
that now things are flowing in the opposite direction and it's becoming a
matter of pride for women that they tend to be more nurturing, etc. But, on
the other hand, 'men's work' has been overinflated for so long that now, in
reaction, traits that are traditionally masculine - like strength, holding
in one's feelings, and so forth - are seen as less important.
Thinking about it now, it may also be due to the fact that those 'masculine'
virtues are becoming less important. In most of our lives, strength isn't
really important anymore, while things like communication are. I don't know
whether that's really a valid reason or not.
Yeah, I gotta go think some more too...
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janc
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response 23 of 81:
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Jan 3 04:18 UTC 1998 |
Stereotypes can be a comfort. When I attack some defective device with an
array of tools, I have my whole culture behind me, assuring me that I can
figure out how to use a pipe wrench because I'm a guy and guys know how to
do these things. Actually, I don't know anything of the sort, but the
stereotype makes it easier for me to bluff, and a good bluff works out an
amazingly large percentage of the time. The cultural presumption of
competence allows me to easily approach anything from walking through a
dubious neighborhood at night to addressing the board of directors with
relative confidence. This is one of the nice things about being a guy.
Of course, the cultural presumption of confidence abandons me completely when
it comes to things like picking up a baby. If a guy picks up a baby, our
culture watches suspiciously, since he is quite likely to drop it on its head.
Similarly, while a man may walk the streets at night with less fear, it is
a sure thing that every woman that he meets on those dark streets will suspect
him of being a rapist.
Hmmm...I guess I don't have much to add to "what I like about being male"
beyond what orinoco said in the first response. Mostly minor things. I don't
think much about being male. I try to like being myself. Maleness isn't that
important a part of that.
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mary
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response 24 of 81:
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Jan 3 20:41 UTC 1998 |
(speechless)
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