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vidar
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Nordic Conquest
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May 22 20:24 UTC 1993 |
This item is for people intergued by th Nordic Conquest. What I want to know
Is what were the fruits of the Nordic Conquest and what were the evils.
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rcurl
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response 1 of 59:
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May 22 21:25 UTC 1993 |
Why? I don't know if I'm intergued or not, so please provide some information
that will permit me to decide one way or the other.
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vidar
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response 2 of 59:
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May 22 23:37 UTC 1993 |
Vikings help to create new countrys. Vikings conquer most of Europe. Vikings
found Iceland and Greenland. Leif Erikson lands on current U.S. 500 years
before Columbus. The British, who tnik they're better than everone else, get
stompped by Vikings twice. And on with the raping, pilaging and burning.
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rcurl
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response 3 of 59:
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May 23 04:11 UTC 1993 |
Sounds like the fruits of the Nordic Conquest were babies, deprivation,
and ashes.
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vidar
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response 4 of 59:
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May 23 16:11 UTC 1993 |
Babies?! I regret to inform you that the Viking format of Birth Control was to
kill the woman(supposedly sending her to Asgard.) I think bloodshed could be
added to that list.
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rcurl
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May 23 17:27 UTC 1993 |
But, back to my original question: why are we - you - discussing the
Nordic Conquest? Isn't it a dead issue?
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danr
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May 23 20:37 UTC 1993 |
It's interesting to think about, actually. I mean, what possesses a certain
group of people to take on a monumental task, such as the Nordic Conquest,
the Crusades, building the pyramids, and building the medieval cathedrals.
I guess the only thing that could compare to that recently is sending a
man to the moon. We would do well to recapture that kind of spirit.
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rcurl
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May 23 21:20 UTC 1993 |
To the extent that the Nordic persued their conquests for gain, I
question whether that is the spirit we want to recapture. They were
(mobile) robber barons. The crusades were less materialistic - just
wanting to suppress the infidels -, building the pyramids was not done
for pelf (just for self); and building cathedrals was for the greater
glory of an idea. I understand danr question with regard to his
examples, but not with respect to the Nordic Conquest, where "filthy
lucre" was the goal.
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vidar
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May 23 21:50 UTC 1993 |
Ahh "Why" the question that never gets enough of an answer. I don't believe
that the Nordic Conquest is a dead issue, at leat not yet. I do not believe
it was that filthy either (The rape, yes.), I believe we or rather my
ancestors were just "Power Hungry." The Crusades were just as bloody as the
Nordic Conquest. The true goal of the Nordic Conquest was to found new
countries, die in battle, and reach Valhalla. At least from the Viking
perspective. I find the ancient religion behind all this very much more fair
than Christianity. Supposedly in christianity you can be saved. To me thats
a bunch of Poppycock! You have more free sailing with the Vikings(Religiously
as well as literally.) Only three sins,
and they all have to do with HOW you die.
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steve
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May 24 02:03 UTC 1993 |
I would like to get a reading list on this subject, so I could
add to the discussion.
I will say that the Vikings are fastenating, and probably helped
to mix up the gene pool quite a bit.
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rcurl
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response 10 of 59:
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May 24 05:16 UTC 1993 |
I search mirlyn, and couldn't find much with any combinations of nor?,
conq?, scan?, except the following
Author: Wheaton, Henry, 1785-1848.
Title: History of the Northmen, or Danes and Normans, from the
earliest times to the conquest of England
Published: London, J. Murray, 1831.
SUBJECT HEADINGS (Library of Congress; use s=):
Northmen
Scandinavia--History
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vidar
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response 11 of 59:
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May 25 00:13 UTC 1993 |
I have a book entitled THE CHILDREN OF ODIN, I don't know the author's name.
However^[[C^[[C^[[Ao owever, I think it might help people better undtstand the
relgion. After all, religion is the basis of that book.
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rcurl
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response 12 of 59:
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May 25 05:08 UTC 1993 |
Author: Colum, Padraic, 1881-1972.
Title: The children of Odin
Published: New York : Macmillan, c1920.
SUBJECT HEADINGS (Library of Congress; use s=):
Mythology, Norse
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LOCATION: CALL NUMBER: STATUS:
INFO&LIB ST Juvenile PZ 8.1 .C726 Not checked out
Collection
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danr
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response 13 of 59:
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May 25 15:44 UTC 1993 |
(I love it. I wish we had access to the U-M catalog from here on grex.)
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davel
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response 14 of 59:
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May 25 17:46 UTC 1993 |
Well, I think mirlyn is still available for free public use.
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polygon
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response 15 of 59:
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May 25 19:03 UTC 1993 |
Re the early Nordics ... is "Eaters of the Dead" a real manuscript
or just fiction?
It purports to chronicle, in part, the encounter of some sort of
Arabic diplomat with some of the residents of what is now
Scandanavia, when the latter were seen by the former as savages.
(The title refers to still another group.)
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rcurl
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response 16 of 59:
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May 26 05:44 UTC 1993 |
Mirlyn: dial 764 4800 (8N1) 2400 baud (or 763 6520, 1200 baud), and
respond "mirlyn" (no quotes) to the Which Host? prompt. There are
other host names for every university library in Michigan.
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danr
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response 17 of 59:
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May 26 16:28 UTC 1993 |
(What I meant was that I wish we could access that database while
still logged in here.)
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vidar
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response 18 of 59:
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May 26 22:36 UTC 1993 |
Yes, It would be nice if we could use mirlyn while still logged into Grex.
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rcurl
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response 19 of 59:
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May 27 04:19 UTC 1993 |
Get a second phone line. Hmmm. You could have two serial ports and two
modems going. Is there any multitasking software to support two comm
links at once?
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danr
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May 27 09:04 UTC 1993 |
I think there is, but that's an expensive solution. I'd rather
donate the money to Grex with the idea of getting a real Internet
connection. :)
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davel
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response 21 of 59:
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May 27 11:48 UTC 1993 |
This is cheaper?
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vidar
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response 22 of 59:
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May 28 21:17 UTC 1993 |
I'd think that this is definately cheaper. But life is hell on earth so who
cares about minor extra expenses.
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vidar
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response 23 of 59:
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May 31 01:07 UTC 1993 |
See you in Valhalla...
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jep
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response 24 of 59:
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Jun 10 02:22 UTC 1993 |
I have a book called "History of the Vikings", which talks about life
for the average person in Viking lands. I haven't read it in a while, and
don't remember if it's any good or not.
The Norse brought a lot of things to England (that is the Nordic
Conquest you mean, isn't it?), including interest in shipping and many
improvements in shipping, thatched roofs, and government for the good of
the population, based on the consent of those being governed, an idea
which rose and fell after William the Conqueror, but later rose to great
prominence.
The Vikings controlled the middle third of England at one time. They
came to England because of a desire for the security of good farmland.
Life as a wandering pillager is exciting but dangerous, and awfully
insecure, even if you're as good at it as the Vikings were.
Harald Hardrada (Harald Hardrede, which meant "Harald the Stubborn"
more or less), who was called the Last Viking, claimed the kingship of
England. He attacked Edward (Edward the Confessor, wasn't it?), and was
defeated, but weakened Edward enough that William of Normandy was able to
defeat him and become known as William the Conqueror. If Harald had had
better luck, better spies, or more patience, he could have waited for
William and Edward to fight it out, then could have taken England. We
might all be worshipping Odin and Thor if he had done so. England was
difficult to attack, and rich with resources, so it would have been a
solid center for the growth of industrialization under any leadership.
Harald Hardrada is one of my favorite historical figures.
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