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homes
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Stoicism & Scholasticism question (long).
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Dec 5 03:43 UTC 1991 |
Ok, the cram sessions have begun this week.
I have an exam in two days (friday). The questions were already given
to us (a whole batch of them, but only 2 or 3 will be on the actual
exam). I've researched most of them, but not thoroughly (due to
the limited amount of time). How about helping me out?
Please answer this question (as thoroughly as you wish).
Both Stoicism and Scholasticism evolved out of the conditions of
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s of each utilizing the following
as suggestive of the areas to be included in your discussion:
STOICISM:making specific reference to Cicero, Epictetus, and Aurelius:
1. What were the conditions and times that helped produce Stoicism?
2. Give an analysis of the characteristics and purposes of Stoicism
with reference to the men listed above.
3. Make an examination of natural law, especially the basic
assumptions behind this philosophy.
4. Evaluate Stoicism relative to its affects on the (a) individual
and (b) on the State.
SCHOLASTICISM:making specific reference to Augustine, Abelard, and/or
Aquinas:
1. What were the conditions and times which created the need
for Scholasticism?
2. What roles did Abelard and Aristotle play in the development of
Scholasticism?
3. How did St. Augustine influence later Scholastic development
and thought?
4. Evaluate Scholasticism as to whether it met the challenges
of the time and whether or ont it realized its goal via the
application of scholastic methods.
Ok, that's the question. Perhaps there are some philosophy buffs
out there who can help me.
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jes
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response 1 of 39:
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Dec 5 14:35 UTC 1991 |
Why don't you draft your essays and we'll all critique them? Even if nobody
responds, you'll have had good practice for tomorrow.
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mta
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response 2 of 39:
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Dec 6 07:18 UTC 1991 |
Which class did you say this was for?
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keats
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response 3 of 39:
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Dec 6 13:55 UTC 1991 |
to give you any information on these questions would be academically
dishonest. you're being examined on your preparedness, not ours.
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remmers
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response 4 of 39:
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Dec 6 19:52 UTC 1991 |
Hmmm...depends on the conditions imposed by the instructor. But
offhand, I don't see why asking people for information should be
out-of-bounds if digging around in the library is not. A bbs
is an interactive book. (But this is drift. Sorry Sung, I don't
have any enlightment to offer on these topics.)
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griz
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response 5 of 39:
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Dec 6 21:57 UTC 1991 |
I don't think there would be anything wrong with bouncing ideas off of
Grex folk, either, as long as you cite any information you acquire here.
I'm writing a paper right now that happens to have a lot to do with the
major area of research of an old professor of mine at MSU, and we had
an interesting argument about it on the phone that helped a lot. Is that
unethical? People in academia do it all the time. You should know that,
keats. So what's the difference if you discuss it on a bbs, and not with
your colleagues?
But I don't have any information on the original topic, either. Perhaps
it will become a moot point. :-(
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keats
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response 6 of 39:
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Dec 7 00:44 UTC 1991 |
"bouncing ideas" off of us is not the same as soliciting ideas, and dis-
cussing ideas for something you're writing doesn't have any of the same
academic obligations as taking an examination under conditions of honesty.
i'm sure you know that, griz. we've been asked to provide ideas for mater-
ials he didn't have time to cover, in other words, to fill in the gaps.
it's not ethical for us to assist him with the examination process.
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tnt
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response 7 of 39:
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Dec 7 03:09 UTC 1991 |
In other words, keats feels uncomfortable in allowing others to use his great
intellect without giving him great credit.
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keats
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response 8 of 39:
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Dec 7 05:39 UTC 1991 |
no, in other words, the point of an examination is for the student to show
one's own great intellect and the product of that student's work for
the term. but i thank you for your generous estimate of me, tim. coming
from a mind as perspicuous as your own, i cannot tell you how i value
it.
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homes
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response 9 of 39:
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Dec 7 05:47 UTC 1991 |
I forgot about this post until after the test (just remembered about
20 minutes ago), but seeing as there were no posted answers, along
withwith the fact that this question (along with about 15 other such
questions) was not on the test.
I believe that Grex is just another source from which I can gather
information. If I had thought this was any form of dishonesty,
I would not have posted it to something as public as this system.
I realize that this would be dishonest if it were for a pre-written
examination or research paper. But the examination was to be taken
in the room without notes and just from the knowledge. Who's business
is it as to how I learned the material?
"Fill in the gaps" is exactly what I wanted some users to do.
Next time the need arises, I'll post my essay (I realize that
no one wants to write an entire paper), and let the
gaps get filled in.
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tnt
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response 10 of 39:
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Dec 8 16:55 UTC 1991 |
One's intellect isn't simply an innate characteristic.
You assume he was simply looking for answers to test questions. I think he
was looking for various points of views, which may or may not reformulate his
own point of view.
We are a product of our environment, frame of reference, and curiousity.
Intelligent people are those who have and use various references & research
methods.
I'm glad to say that I don't think many people utilize the 'keats philospophy
of 'intellect isolationism.'
I'm also glad that homes disregarded keats' crankiness. Keats wanted to give
a long, detailed philosophical answer to the question, but he didn't. This
made him feel uncomfortable, as he believes that he is the person that people
here would turn to for deep philosophical ramblings. He defends his lack of
providing his 'expertise' by launching into a tirade stating that he will not
bless us with his treatise simply on the grounds that he thinks homes ought to
find out on his own, instead of relying on keat's great wisdom.
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remmers
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response 11 of 39:
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Dec 8 17:09 UTC 1991 |
Not necessarily. I believe that keats, like me, teaches at the
college level, is no doubt aware, like me, of various instances
of bald-faced plagiarism by students, and is therefore, like me,
somewhat sensitive on this issue.
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keats
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response 12 of 39:
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Dec 9 00:28 UTC 1991 |
that's exactly correct, john, thanks. tim, the only statement in your
comments with which i agree is that "intellect isn't simply an innate
characteristic"--at least, certainly not in your case.
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craig
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response 13 of 39:
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Dec 9 02:19 UTC 1991 |
Homes seemed pretty unprepared at a time fairly short before exams.
I would be interested in his sharing his grade with us as well.
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griz
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response 14 of 39:
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Dec 9 02:47 UTC 1991 |
I still maintain that it would have been okay for him to gain knowledge
from us as long as whomever he quoted or used information from were cited
in the bibliography. I have done that before.
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keats
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response 15 of 39:
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Dec 9 02:50 UTC 1991 |
griz, look again. it's not an essay, it's an examination. he posted exami-
nation questions and asked us to answer the ones he didn't study so that
if they were on the exam, he'd know something.
craig--good point.
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jep
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response 16 of 39:
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Dec 9 23:33 UTC 1991 |
Since exam questions tend to be a combination of testing on the
subject material, and testing on whether the student paying attention in
class, I doubt if anything anyone here offered in the way of assistance
would have been of much help. (Which isn't why I didn't offer my
thoughts. Nor was I compelled by a vision of academic integrity. In
fact, I just didn't know anything about the subject.)
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mdw
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response 17 of 39:
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Dec 11 12:17 UTC 1991 |
It might have been wise of homes to post some sort of explanation at the
start clarifying the exact conditions of his examanation, although, one
presumes if the instructor had not meant for homes to take his test
"open book", they wouldn't have given him a take home exam. #12 makes a
peculiar contrast with another response entered by the same author
elsewhere, concerning the 'spite-net' item. I'm too lazy to go back &
read #0, so I'm actually not quite sure if I missed something, but it
seems to me, homes may have been posting 'examination' questions from
past exams, already given, and presumably part of the 'public record',
rather than giving us actual examination questions on his actual exam.
In which case, this is something he could have done anytime during the
semester, and is preumably little different than his going up to his TA
or whatever, and asking for help on this 'theoretical question' -- ie,
perfectly good study habits. Since what he got instead was a blend of
insults and examination ethics, I think he can safely conclude nobody
here has the faintest idea what his question meant.
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remmers
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response 18 of 39:
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Dec 11 12:57 UTC 1991 |
Re #17, last sentence: Nah. If somebody were to post a C
question in the Jellyware conference of the form "Please help me
out with this programming assignment for my class", and I were to
refuse on grounds of academic honesty, it would NOT be a safe
assumption that I didn't have a clue what the problem was about.
It's stated in #0 that the class was given a list of possible exam
questions but not told which ones would actually be on the exam.
I agree that since we don't know the conditions imposed on the
class, the moral picture is a little cloudy. One has to give Sung
credit for being up-front about his reason for posting the
question, though. However, if the test questions were intended to
have you do your own analysis and synthesis based on lecture and
reference material, then asking someone else to do the analysis
and synthesis for you short-circuits the learning experience that
the instructor intended you to have.
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keats
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response 19 of 39:
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Dec 11 13:06 UTC 1991 |
your laziness shows all over, marcus. not only are you justly subject
to the corrections made by remmers, but as well, you obviously failed to
read (or to pay attention to) my response to tnt defining what i feel is
a distinction between jibes (openly offered with the responsibility taken
by the speaker and anonymous). was there something accurate you had to
contribute?
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craig
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response 20 of 39:
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Dec 12 09:40 UTC 1991 |
I did not get the impression that Homes had a "take home" exam, especially
since he later commented that those questions ended up not being on the
exam. It was more a matter of needing study help, I thought.
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reach
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response 21 of 39:
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Dec 13 07:04 UTC 1991 |
This response has been erased.
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reach
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response 22 of 39:
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Dec 13 07:07 UTC 1991 |
Mr. Keats is an educator? Dear me.
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keats
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response 23 of 39:
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Dec 13 08:39 UTC 1991 |
(not sure how to take that...is that an insult?)
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jep
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response 24 of 39:
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Dec 14 00:11 UTC 1991 |
re #remmers: (I can never remember response numbers): No, I agree, you
could probably answer any C question which would be posted on an exam (-:.
However, THIS question was probably beyond the ability of anyone here to
answer in an academically useful manner.
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