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beeswing
Diet/Nutrition Mark Unseen   Oct 2 20:43 UTC 1999

Inspired by drift in one of those items back there. While the discussion 
is currently about vegetarianism, this item can also include anything 
about eating. 

Pass me the Fritos.
91 responses total.
beeswing
response 1 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 20:54 UTC 1999

When I was younger I tried my darndest to go veggie. It unsettled me 
that I was eating something that had once been alive. I don't think I 
stuck with it long enough to notice any health benefits or losses. I 
just know I got tired of it really quickly. Now I eat red meat maybe 
twice a week at most. I'm not too great a cook so I don't trust myself 
to do meat at home... I'm convinced I'll accidentally kill myself from 
salmonella. I do like chicken and fish, and I will eat pork but it's not 
a favorite of mine. Bacon, mmmm. 

I do have veggie friends who had to go back to meat on doctor's orders. 
One girl I knew was die-hard veggie (but not vegan), and had to eat 
seafood against her will on occasion because she was deficient in some 
nutrient, I've since forgotten which one. 

I used to not care too much about what I ate until college. Living on 
campus and not being able to cook hindered what I could eat. Midway 
through sophomore year I got one horrible ear infection after another 
and had no energy. I'd also gained 25 pounds. When I wasn't eating fast 
food, I was eating microwaved or prepackaged stuff. I also got viral 
infections. It was as if my body was shutting down. Not knowing what 
else to do, I decided to eat healthier and if anything, cut back on the 
processed foods. By that fall I felt a little better and took karate for 
my PE credit, which helped in getting the weight I'd gained off. 

Like jiffer mentioned earlier, I think there is a reason we are 
omnivores. Some vegetarians argue that humans are just not designed to 
eat meat, and I can't agree with that. What humans are NOT designed to 
eat are Dortios, Cokes, fruit roll-ups and all this canned, processed 
crap we refer to as food. (And I had a diet coke today myself, so I'm 
also guilty as hell). Why do we eat this stuff? 
darkskyz
response 2 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 21:36 UTC 1999

because it tastes good?
happyboy
response 3 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 01:24 UTC 1999

vegetarians who argue that we are not designed to eat
meat are most likely IDIOTS, they are certainly not
inuit.  they're the same people who slam the inuit seal
harvest, probably.

anyhow fritos with velveeta and hormel nobeans-chili on top
is REAL GOOD!   8D
drewmike
response 4 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 01:34 UTC 1999

You can have any kind of problem you care to about eating meat, but if the
fact that it "was once alive" is what's stopping you, then precisely how do
you think those lentils there came into being? They weren't mined, Skippu.
happyboy
response 5 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 01:43 UTC 1999

or as ward churchill would say:

"Have a nice fast, buckaroo."
gypsi
response 6 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 03:26 UTC 1999

I feel healthiest when I eat the recommended allowance from each food group.
Go figure.  ;-)  

I try not to eat red meat more than once or twice a week, but I eat a lot of
chicken and turkey.  Veggies and fruit are a wonderful thing.  =)

I have nothing against vegetarians; I just get concerned about their health.
There are smart ones who consult a doctor or make sure they read a lot of
books describing how to mix foods for health, but there are some idiots who
just cut all meat out of their diet and live on macaroni and cheese.  Heh.
gelinas
response 7 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 03:46 UTC 1999

Re the last: I don't think that's 'living'.

Last I heard, the only contamination problem with beef is surface
contamination.  Of course, ground beef has a *lot* of surface to get
contaminated.  Poultry and pork should be cooked through.  Which puts
me in a tight spot: I like rare meat, but I have to watch my fat intake.
Pork and poultry are easily de-fatted, unlike beef, so I very rarely
get to enjoy a steak just the way I like it.
scg
response 8 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 06:53 UTC 1999

I certainly don't eat meat at every meal, but I find that I stop feeling very
good if I don't eat meat somewhat frequently.  I suspect there are probably
other things I could eat to substitute for the meat that would have the same
effect, but meat tastes good.
omni
response 9 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 09:01 UTC 1999

  Mac and Cheese can be cool, but don't give me a steady diet of it.

  I never was concerned with what I ate, then after smelling racid bacon
cooking, I decided right then and there I had eaten my last piece of bacon.
That was 3 yrs ago, come Jan 1. I have decided that my diet will slowly go
to a strict kosher diet, following the kashrut, though I am catholic, and not
Jewish. I just think the Jews eat better than Christians do. The hard part
will be giving up sausage, ham, shrimp and lobster, not that I really have
the budget to buy lobster and shrimp whenever I want. I figure that if I can
do this well with bacon, I can do it with anything else. I mean, I have not
been drunk since 1982, and I used to really drink beer.(at least 18 per binge)

   I'm not sure how much Mac and Cheese is allowed by the kashrut. 
gypsi
response 10 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 10:23 UTC 1999

I hate pork.  Blecch.  I've had people think I'm Jewish because I refuse to
eat it, which is fine with me since I like the religion.  =)  

I'm pretty sure Mac & Cheese is kosher.  
tjousk
response 11 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 10:36 UTC 1999

This is a rather interesting subject for me, being as I have never really
looked at what I have eaten untill this year.  The only thing I know of that
I won't eat on its own is baked beans, but I sometimes eat them with other
things.  I generally just eat what I see in the cupboard or fridge first, so
I have a very variable diet, and I think that is one of the reasons I am as
fit as I am.
As for vegetarians, I have nothing against them, as long as they don't try
to make other people turn vegetarian.  I know many vegetarians who are quite
healthy, and a few who are not, it just depends on how much they have looked
into what foods contain. 
Anyway, I think I'm rambling again, so on to the next person...


scott
response 12 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 13:10 UTC 1999

I don't have anything against meat-eaters, as long as they don't try to force
vegetarians to eat meat.
danr
response 13 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 14:42 UTC 1999

I suspect that 'good nutrition' is a hard thing to pin down because we all need
something different. I've been sort of half-heartedly trying to find some good
books on the subject lately, but when I went to the library, all they had were
books from the 80s. I'd love to find a nutritionist that could maybe do some
tests and ask me questions about my diet and then give me suggestions on how to
improve it.
beeswing
response 14 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 15:41 UTC 1999

I love bacon. Love it. Will go out to get some today in fact. Which 
reminds me...

Travolta: Want some bacon?
Jackson: No man, I don't eat pork.
T: Are you Jewish?
J: No I just don't dig on swine, that's all. Pigs are filthy animals. I 
don't eat filthy animals. 
T: But bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
J: Hey a sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't know 
'cause I won't eat the filthy motherf***ers... 

Sorry. Anytime anyone discusses bacon this is what I think of. 
gypsi
response 15 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 15:44 UTC 1999

It's okay.  I had forgotten that line was from Pulp Fiction.  I told someone,
"I don't dig on swine" once, but couldn't figure out where I had gotten that
from.  Heh...
tod
response 16 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 15:57 UTC 1999

Linda Blair is a vegetarian.
http://members.aol.com/ultraindy/JDouglas/index.htm
omni
response 17 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 16:24 UTC 1999

  I have the soundtrack, and that little exchange is on it as is the Royale
with Cheese thing. 

  Bacon also has nitrites and other good carcinogens that I can live without.
keesan
response 18 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 18:03 UTC 1999

Can someone tell me what nutrients are found in cows and that are not found
in the milk from cows, other than probably more iron?  Vegetables (green leafy
ones in particular) are full of iron, which is where cows get it from.
otter
response 19 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 18:22 UTC 1999

Omni, your mac 'n' cheese is OK, as long as the cheese is kosher. I'll try
to remember to e-mail you some good sources of info about identifying kosher
foods and preparing them properly.
gull
response 20 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 18:57 UTC 1999

I find it interesting that people will point to the occasional vegetarian
who has health problems as an example of why we should all eat meat, but
they take the heart disease and other problems that go with meat eating for
granted...
happyboy
response 21 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 20:14 UTC 1999

body-nazi.
beeswing
response 22 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 20:57 UTC 1999

You can get nitrate-free bacon at health food stores, though it costs a 
bit more. I have a bacon-wave cooker, so you can nuke it and the fat 
drips away instead of cooking it in fat. 
klg
response 23 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 21:08 UTC 1999

re: "Omni, your mac 'n' cheese is OK, as long as the cheese is kosher."

And what about the status of the pasta, milk, butter, as well as 
the pot & utensiles?
Also, does omni know that the price of kosher meats & poultry
is generally 2 - 4 x the prices at the standard meat counter?
happyboy
response 24 of 91: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 21:30 UTC 1999

bob evan's spicy breakfast patty pork sausage...

mmmmmmm
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