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Vermont Allows Benefits to Same-Sex Couples (long) Mark Unseen   Dec 20 21:37 UTC 1999

Yay!  Woohoo!  Printed in today's Chicago Tribune.  
www.chicagotribune.com


              Vt. high court backs
              rights for gay couples 

              By Christopher Graff
              The Associated Press
              December 20, 1999 11:44 a.m. CST

              MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) -- Gay couples must be
              granted the same benefits and protections given
              married couples of the opposite sex, the Vermont
              Supreme Court ruled today.

              The court said the Legislature will determine
              whether such benefits will come through formal
              marriage or a system of domestic partnerships.

              "We hold that the state is constitutionally required to
              extend to same-sex couples the common benefits
              and protections that flow from marriage under
              Vermont law," the justices said.

              Whatever marriage or domestic partnership system
              is chosen by the Legislature, the court said, "must
              conform with the constitutional imperative to afford
              all Vermonters the common benefit, protection, and
              security of the law."

              Earlier this month, Hawaii's Supreme Court slammed
              the door on gay marriages in that state, once
              considered most likely to legalize same-sex unions.
              Hawaii's high court said the issue was resolved by a
              1998 amendment to the state constitution against gay
              marriages.

              Vermont was the only other state whose top court
              was considering the issue, and today's ruling had
              been anxiously awaited by both sides in the highly
              charged debate over same sex marriages.

              Today's ruling stems from a suit filed in July 1997 by
              three couples -- one of gay men and two of lesbians
              -- after they were denied marriage licenses by their
              local town clerks. The clerks acted on the advice of
              the state attorney general, who relied on a 1975
              opinion by a predecessor calling same sex marriages
              unconstitutional.

              The three couples first filed suit in Chittenden
              County Superior Court but a judge rejected their
              claims. The couples then appealed to the Supreme
              Court, which heard arguments in the case 13 months
              ago.

              The couples argued that their inability to get married
              denied them more than 300 benefits at the state level
              and more than 1,000 at the federal level. The
              Supreme Court acknowledged that, saying the
              benefits included "access to a spouse's medical, life,
              and disability insurance, hospital visitation and other
              medical decisionmaking privileges, spousal support,
              intestate succession, homestead protections, and
              many other statutory protections."

              Today's ruling cannot be appealed to the U.S.
              Supreme Court since the Vermont court based its
              decision on the state Constitution. The Vermont
              Supreme Court is the state's only appeals court.

              The decision places the issue before the Legislature,
              which will convene next month for its 2000 session.

              Gov. Howard Dean has declined to state a position
              on same sex marriages, saying that he was awaiting
              the decision of the court. But the lieutenant
              governor, Douglas Racine, and the speaker of the
              Vermont House, Michael Obuchowski, have said
              they favor same sex marriages.

              Today's decision, written by Chief Justice Jeffrey
              Amestoy, acknowledges the controversy swirling
              around the issue of same-sex marriages. It is "a
              question that the court well knows arouses deeply
              felt religious, moral, and political beliefs," the               
              justices said in their decision.

              In 1993, Hawaii's Supreme Court ruled that the
              state's failure to recognize gay marriages amounted
              to gender discrimination.

              The ruling set off pre-emptive legislating around the
              nation. Lawmakers feared that gay couples would
              fly to Hawaii to get married and that the 49 other
              states would then have to recognize those marriages.

              At least 30 states banned gay marriages, and
              Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act,
              which denied federal recognition of homosexual
              marriage and allowed states to ignore same-sex
              unions licensed elsewhere.

              Advocates of same sex marriage had high hopes for
              the Vermont case because the state is considered a
              leader in laws protecting gay rights. Vermont has
              passed laws prohibiting discrimination against gays in
              employment, housing, and public accommodations
              and a law that punishes hate crimes against
              homosexuals.

              The issue divided the court. While all five justices
              agreed that gay couples should receive the same
              benefits as granted couples of the opposite sex, three
              of the justices joined a concurring opinion written by
              Justice John Dooley that challenged the reasoning
              behind Amestoy's decision.

              And Justice Denise Johnson wrote a separate
              opinion saying the court had not gone far enough.
              She said the court recognizes that gays are entitled
              to certain rights and "yet declines to give them any
              relief other than an exhortation to the Legislature to
              deal with the problem." Johnson said she would
              require town clerks to issue marriage licenses to
              same-sex couples. 

              Copyright 1999 The Associated Press 
56 responses total.
zebera
response 1 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 3 05:04 UTC 2000

yay!  WOOOOOHOOOO!  YIPPIE! // I'm wondering, does anyone know the status of
same-sex marriages in other countires?
brighn
response 2 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 3 15:38 UTC 2000

I thought there was at least one country, perhaps Holland, that had something
"like that"
orinoco
response 3 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 19:50 UTC 2000

There was a picture in some newspaper, I think the NY Times, a while back,
of the "first ever gay wedding" in Amsterdam.  So it was made legal there a
while back, at least.  I haven't heard anything on the topic since, so I don't
know if that law's changed or not.
brighn
response 4 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 05:24 UTC 2000

PROGRESS OF PARTNERSHIP LIST In countries listed partnership laws are in
effect or passed 
 DENMARK Population 5.2 mill. Law in effect 1 October 1989, Folketinget adopts
Registered Partnership 26 May 1989 
 NORWAY Pop. 4.3 mill. in effect 1 August 1993, Stortinget legalized
Registered Partnership 1 April 1993. 
 SWEDEN  Pop. 8.7 mill. in effect 1 January 1995, Riksdagen legalized
Registered Partnership 7 June 1994. 
 GREENLAND, DK, adopted Danish Partners Act 26 April 1996, - Nordic countries
recognized each others acts Aug. 1995. 
 HUNGARY Pop. 10.3 mill. Passed 21 May 1996 by Magyar Orszaggyules: Legal
protection of Common Law Marriage 
 ICELAND Pop. 263.000, 27 June 1996, The Icelandic Althingi voted for
"Recognized Partnership" 4 June 1996. 
 HAWAII - US State Pop. 1.2 mill. Hawaiian Legislature enacted 8 June 1997
"Reciprocal Beneficiary Relationship"  
 THE NETHERLANDS Pop. 15.3 mill. In effect 1 January 1998. Passed
"Registration of Partnership" Act 9 July 1997. 
 FRANCE Pop. 55 mill. Civil Solidarity-pacts "PaCS" adopted October 13 1999:
PaCS in effect November 17 1999. 
 BELGIUM   Pop. 10 mill. Partner measure (Statutory Cohabitation Contract)
in effect the 4th January 2000 

This is a little outdated. Denmark was the first country with legal gay
marriage, though (copenhagen was where the first service was held).
  
source: http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko12530/
jazz
response 5 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 12:35 UTC 2000

        Ah, yes, America, progressive land of forward thinking.
orinoco
response 6 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 15:27 UTC 2000

Interesting, to see the euphemistic contortions up there....I especially like
"Reciprocal Beneficiary Relationship."
zebera
response 7 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 02:27 UTC 2000

very very interesting....
gypsi
response 8 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 13:45 UTC 2000

Dan sent me this email today:

 As you probably know, the Supreme Court of Vermont recently ruled that
 committed same sex relationships should have the same rights and
 privileges afforded to married straight couples.  There are over 1,000 
 rights that come with marriage which are currently denied to gay couples

 - - including hospital visitation/medical decisions, rights of 
 survivorship, filing joint tax returns, etc.
 
 This is a VERY important first step towards equality in America.
 
 However, the Governor's office of Vermont has been BOMBARDED with phone 
 calls by anti-gay individuals opposing the recent decision - - primarily

 fueled by the "Doctor" Laura radio program which gave out the phone number.
 
 The Governor's office reports that only a HANDFUL of callers have
 expressed SUPPORT for this huge step towards equal rights.
 
 Please take the time to contact the Governor's office and register your
 support on this vital issue.
 
 Governor Howard Dean's office - (802) 828-3333 8AM-4PM.  FAX (802)
 828-3339 or e-mail the Lieutenant Governor - Douglas A. Racine at
 ltgov@leg.state.vt.us with a brief note to register your support.
brighn
response 9 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 00:25 UTC 2000

I know this irrelevant, but I simply must say it:
Laura Schlessinger is a MAJOR proponent of the Ten Commandments.
One of the Ten Commandments concerns lying (bearing false witness).
While she DOES a doctorate, and so the title "Dr." is technically licit, it's
in a field that is utterly irrelevant to what she alleges to be expert in
(relationship psychology and religion).
  
So when does God zap her? =}
gypsi
response 10 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 03:27 UTC 2000

Yeah, I can't listen to her show.  Her advice is so completely wacked.
omni
response 11 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 09:24 UTC 2000

Ok, I know I'm inviting flames but how educated must you be to follow a moral
code? 

   I listen to her, and while she does not tolerate the sexual preference I
am, I do find the advice she dishes out to be very sound..sometimes. In
defense of the Commandments, God wrote them down in a simple easy to
understand format. 

  Thou shalt not kill. What part of that don't you get? It's not like God
wrote a paragraph of clauses and conditions explaining the conditions when
it is OK to kill and or bump off your neighbor.

  Some of the drips who call that show are idiots. "Is it OK to shun my
neighbor because his cat is blue?" Not quite that bad, but you get the idea.
You don't like Dr. Laura? Don't listen and leave her as what she is:
entertainment for the weak of mind and spirit. Why do I listen? It's a human
train wreck. I cannot bear to turn away.

  Some of her callers don't have a moral compass. fortunatly, I do.
gypsi
response 12 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 09:30 UTC 2000

I don't listen to her because I don't like her.  I was just saying that her
advice sucks.  I have NOTHING against the Commandments, either, but the point
wasn't even about this.  

I simply posted that message, didn't write it.  The reason they've been
bombarded is because a Christian radio personality gave out the number and
said she was against it.  So, this mail has been circulated to say, "Hey! 
Why don't we call up and *support* it?"  It's not an attack against Dr. Laura.

So, yes, I know how to turn a radio knob, omni.
jazz
response 13 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 15:01 UTC 2000

        What stations is Dr. Laura on?
gypsi
response 14 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 15:25 UTC 2000

She's on NPR.
omni
response 15 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 16:13 UTC 2000

  WJR, 12pm to 3pm. 

  I'm not attacking you, Sarah. I was indicting her weak of spirit listeners
who can't seen to find thier way out of a wet paper bag. Morality is so easy
to follow because there are no gray areas; either it is right or wrong. The
idiots who call her can't seem to get a handle on that concept.

  Dr. Laura is successful for the same reason Judge Judy is. They have a big
mouth and they use it. You only need to watch one Judge Judy to get my point.
Her clientele aren't exactly rocket scientists, either. I mean, they know
going in that she's going to admonish them for thier lack of reason, and the
TV show just gives her that forum in which to be loud and in thier faces.
Same goes for Joe Brown, Mills Lane, Greg Mathis, and everyone I missed.
I must admit that I do like Mills Lane, though.
katie
response 16 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 16:41 UTC 2000

No gray areas regarding morality? On what planet?
gypsi
response 17 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 17:31 UTC 2000

I echo Katie's point.  (I knew you weren't attacking me.  I always come off
as defensive since I tend to favor declarative sentences and state my
opinion).  ;-)
orinoco
response 18 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 23:48 UTC 2000

(Actually, the main thing that bugs me about Dr. Laura is her tendency towards
a black-and-white idea of morality.  I guess you don't get to be a succesful
advice person by waffling uncontrollably, but still....)
brighn
response 19 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 06:22 UTC 2000

My point being:
Dr. Laura, in calling ehrself "Dr.", is telling a "white lie."
One of the commandments bans lying.
If there's no moral gray, then Laura Schlessinger is a hypocrite.
omni
response 20 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 20:56 UTC 2000

  That very same Bible says "Pick the mote out of your own eye before you pick
the beam from your neighbor's eye" and "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

  Ok she's a hypocrite. Let that be between her and God. I'm sure that He will
sort her out when her time comes. You still don't have to listen, Paul.

 re 16- In my world, things are either right or they are wrong. I don't fool
myself with all kinds of excuses about why I should do something I shouldn't.
Like I'm not going to go rob a bank just because I think I need a little
pocket change. Why should I speed on the freeway when I know that doing so
is against the law? True it hurts no one to speed, that is, unless you hit
something, but if you have control of your car, speeding is a victimless
crime. But it is still wrong to speed. I'm sure I can find a lot of people
who wil tell you that it is thier right to drive as fast as they can and that
the government has no right to tell me how fast I can drive.
gypsi
response 21 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 03:33 UTC 2000

Okay, that's *your* little world.  In the real world, morals have gray areas.
Just look around you.  People are always coming up with excuses for changing
their morals in certain situations.

And I'm sure Paul doesn't listen to her for the very reasons he's listing.
He's not saying that he hates hearing her every day...he's saying that he
*doesn't* listen to her because she's a hypocritical idiot.
omni
response 22 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 08:48 UTC 2000

  Changing morals is why we still need locks on banks.
gypsi
response 23 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 15:47 UTC 2000

Yes...and...?
jazz
response 24 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 16:47 UTC 2000

        And not everyone is aware that they do make those situational
judgements, Sarah, or that their beliefs change over time.
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