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Grex > Glb > #5: Gay, Lesbian, Striaght, or..? <les> <gay> <bi-> <all> | |
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selena
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Gay, Lesbian, Striaght, or..? <les> <gay> <bi-> <all>
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Sep 2 05:29 UTC 1995 |
Homosexuality and lesbianism have often been depicted as the
perverted opposite to heterosexuality.. but is this really the case?
It may be that homo/les is the norm, and that heterosexuality is only
considered normal because of societal pressure.. or does this polarity
issue may miss the point entirely. What if bisexuality is the natural
state of sexuality in Human beings, and that we are forced by society to
choose where we take our pleasure from.
Or, what if we aren't even *that* predetermined in orientaton?
What if the natural state of human sexuality is to seek pleasure, no
matter the source?
What do you think?
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phenix
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response 1 of 211:
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Sep 2 05:39 UTC 1995 |
i agree with the last one....however, due to the fact that the race must con0
tinue, there are alot of hereros or bi's......
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giry
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response 2 of 211:
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Sep 2 19:26 UTC 1995 |
I think that in nature we are drawn to people of the opposite sex in order
to create new life, well not just for that reason, but biologically speaking,
but there are so many great qualities of the same sex, why is unnatural to
be srawn to someone of the same sex. If they can fulfill your needs then that
is great.
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val
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response 3 of 211:
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Sep 2 23:12 UTC 1995 |
I'm too much of a biologist. Heterosexuality is probably the norm. But
I beleive that sex in any form is for pleasure and social bonding.
<You know all of those feelings that are created by having sex>
But on the other hand, homosexuality is probably not selected against. But
I'm running out of time so I will elaborate later. :)
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selena
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response 4 of 211:
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Sep 5 06:20 UTC 1995 |
Alright.. <Selena waits for elaboration..>
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val
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response 5 of 211:
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Sep 5 11:47 UTC 1995 |
There could be some selevctive pressure to favor homosexulity,
most of the world for most of history, marriage was universal, few people
didnt get married. So If a person was homosexual, some theories suggest
that you were maore likely to marry whoever your parents wanted you to, and
if you did have extramarital affairs, they wouldnt result in children
There are a couple more but I have misplaced my athro notes :)
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brighn
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response 6 of 211:
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Sep 5 18:13 UTC 1995 |
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phenix
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response 7 of 211:
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Sep 5 20:10 UTC 1995 |
actaully, depends on the culture......the arwaks for instance had
no set mates...the women raised each child they had, and switched partners
whenever they wanted with no hard feelings whatsoever.
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brighn
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response 8 of 211:
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Sep 6 01:04 UTC 1995 |
(6 was a goof, and I thought I'd aborted it... stupid grex!)
At any rate, I don't see how those select homosexuality. Selection pressures
don't care about marriage: the more children, the more genetic survival,
regardless of whether those children are bastards.
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scg
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response 9 of 211:
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Sep 6 04:44 UTC 1995 |
That would assume that children from single parent families did as well at
reproducing as their counterparts who grew up with two parents. I would
assume it wouldn't make much of a difference, but it theoretically could.
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brighn
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response 10 of 211:
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Sep 6 05:51 UTC 1995 |
Not necessarily, traditionally. Depending on the culture and social class,
bastards might be raised as if the mother's husband were the father.
(for purposes of hiding the shame)
(or b/c the mother lied about the affair)
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val
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response 11 of 211:
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Sep 6 13:38 UTC 1995 |
alot of cultures had a tradition of taking up children. if the father wasnt
sure it was his or didnt claim the child it was abandoned.
Actually <and i wish i could find my sources> 'bastards' didnt do as well as
legetimate children, and children of single families didnt do as well either.
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brighn
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response 12 of 211:
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Sep 6 17:50 UTC 1995 |
We are talking about 6000 years of recorded history, and millions more
non-recorded... yes, there were cultures where bastards were abandoned and left
to die. There were cultures (still are) where they are stigmatized and
peripheralized. Then again, there are cultrures (still) where the punishment
for homosexuality is death (or life imprisonment) -- there's at least one
IRanian living in asylum in the U.S. b/c he would be imprisoned or killed
if he returned home.
Val, are you arguing that in some cultures there are no selection restrictions
favoring heterosexuality (I would agree), or that in some cultures there are
selection restrictions favoring homosexuality ( I would disagree)?
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val
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response 13 of 211:
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Sep 6 19:16 UTC 1995 |
Both :) But mainly the former. All I can say is that I'm spouting theories
<other peoples theories at that> and they can never really be proven true
Even natural selection is still a theory :)
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selena
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response 14 of 211:
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Sep 6 19:44 UTC 1995 |
Well, "just a theory" would sum up most of our scientific
knowledge, seeing as there are really veryfew Laws..
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birdlady
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response 15 of 211:
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Sep 6 20:14 UTC 1995 |
I think that humans should find pleasure in any way that they can.
Heterosexuality may be viewed as the norm because, biologically, it is
instinctive for animals to reproduce and continue the species. It may be true
that I find more pleasure with men, but the idea of satiating myself with a
women doesn't disgust me. I happen to very open-minded. Anyway, the bottom
line is that "pleasure" is the cultural norm, therefore I feel that
heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual relationships are all equally
acceptable.
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phenix
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response 16 of 211:
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Sep 6 23:42 UTC 1995 |
point i have to make:
The Arawaks of Hati had no marrage, and therefore no bastards.
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selena
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response 17 of 211:
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Sep 7 15:25 UTC 1995 |
Sarah, I concur with your view, mostly. Sex isn't about a
need to propogate the species anymore.. the world is overcrowded
already!
Greg, what you're saying, then, is that the study of how
well "bastard" or simgle-parent children do in life would be
pointless in the context of the Arawaks?
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phenix
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response 18 of 211:
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Sep 7 22:45 UTC 1995 |
yes.
quite.
and that many tropicall cultures have the same set up.
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selena
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Sep 11 14:14 UTC 1995 |
Really? That i wasn't aware of. Can you name me some? Do they have
a "everyone share the child" view, or what? How is the young one raised?
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selena
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response 20 of 211:
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Sep 11 14:22 UTC 1995 |
Also, greg, what are these cultures' views toward homosexuality,
or bisexuality?
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phenix
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response 21 of 211:
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Sep 11 21:23 UTC 1995 |
<blink>
well, the arawaks we will never know, considering the spaniards committed
genocie on the entire population of them.....
some others.....well, MANy in the brazilian rain forest......
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selena
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response 22 of 211:
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Sep 14 02:20 UTC 1995 |
Right. THESE cultureS. Plural. How do they deal with it?
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phenix
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response 23 of 211:
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Sep 14 19:23 UTC 1995 |
as far as i know, they do not....they just kinda let everyone do what they
wanna do and take care of problems as they arrise.
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selena
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response 24 of 211:
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Sep 15 07:34 UTC 1995 |
Hmm.. any chance of looking up the info, or giving us te names
of some of these tribes, so we can?
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