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bookworm
Phobias Mark Unseen   Nov 26 00:06 UTC 1998

I know this is out of context, but all the to do in item 37 (i think) has made
me curious.  

How many people in this cf have a phobia that they are aware of?
If you have one and are interested in sharing it, this is the place to do so.

Example:  bookworm-I have been afraid of lots of things, among them darkness,
bees, loneliness, fear, insects, spiders, heights, and trying new things.

Just for reference sake:
PHOBIA: (FOE be ah) n.  an unreasoning fear or hatred of any given subject.
(btw.  unreasoning means you don't know why you're afraid of or hate the
subject.)

Any comments are welcome.  Confessions of personal phobias are welcomed but
not necessary.             --Julie
62 responses total.
brighn
response 1 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 00:30 UTC 1998

It should be noted that the clinical use of the word "phobia" is significantly
more rigorous than the dictionary definition. Phobic reactions include intense
physiological and psychological discomfort, not mere heightened anxiety.

I'd also say that "unreasoning" in phobias aren't an issue of not being aware
of why you have the fear, but rather an issue of being aware that the fear
is unjustified. For instance, someone from the bayou has a genuine and
legitimate reason for fearing snakes... some of them are deadly. Someone from
Michigan doesn't. you may, however, be fully aware of why you have that
fear... perhaps when you were four, your older brother would terrorize you
with a rubber snake.

at any rate, I have an actual phobia: social phobia, an intense discomfort
about being in new places or situations; in my case, it focuses around parties
where I only know a few people, if anyone, crowded trendsetter places like
dance clubs, and places where "outsiders" are supposedly ridiculed (local
bars), as well as places of ill-repute (strip clubs); I also fear rejection
to the point of violence, mostly because it's so much work for me to make new
friends, that if I lose the ones i have, I'll be alone. ={

bookworm
response 2 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 00:33 UTC 1998

Well, any definition will do.  I just put up those for the people who don't
know what they really mean.  Anyway, they're not dictionary definitions,
they're Julie definitions.  I should probably look them up though.
(Is there a phobia about work?)
mta
response 3 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 06:27 UTC 1998

I have an irrational fear of heigts -- even to the point of walking around
work hole coveres on sidewalks.  
brighn
response 4 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 17:09 UTC 1998

that's fine, julie, I was just being anal-retentive. =}
most psychological terms have a rigorous clinical definition and a much looser
layperson definition (phobia, depression, anxiety, and so on)
gypsi
response 5 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 00:21 UTC 1998

Heights, especially if I'm on a balcony (I won't go NEAR them) or
near a floor-to-ceiling window.
Spiders - pictures or the real thing...doesn't matter.  I will
FREAK.
Closed spaces - crowded elevators, full cars, *severe* crowds (like
a packed mall or after a concert gets out).

All of these give different reactions.  Heights will make me come
close to fainting, spiders make me feel like my skin is crawling and
bugs are in my hair, and closed spaces make me light-headed and can
cause a severe asthma attack.  I don't know why I have these
phobias, and there are situations where they won't bother me as
badly.  <shrug>  Psychology is so fascinating.  =)
font
response 6 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 03:15 UTC 1998

I am afraid of heights only if I don't have a solid base to stand on.
(ie> rickedy ladders make me ill...  but if I'm staring down 300 feet
from a balcony or such, I feel no trepidation.)
I used to be afraid of needles.  I used to panic, fret, and even try to hide
inside the doctor's office.  Getting my blood drawn every other day helped
kick that one.  :-)
jazz
response 7 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 13:54 UTC 1998

        Re #1:

        Christ, that describes half of GREX, being paralyzed in new social
situations.  I'd wager it's a common phobia, though I'd never thought of it
as a phobia - traditionally the clinically diagnosed phobias I've heard of
were unreasoning, usually a strong response to a strong situation being echoed
in a weak-stimulus situation - whereas most of the social phobics I know just
worry too much about what other people are thinking or pay more attention
to the conversations in their head.  Or they just don't have some of the 
rules of interaction down.  But then again you may be talking about something
of an entirely different order.

        Re #0:

        I really have a bad learned reaction to cheese.  It's irrational.  I
used to be lactose-intolerant, strongly, but I don't have learned reactions
to the other thing I'm allergic to - dogs and cats - and I'll play with them
for hours before I realise I've gotten myself a nasty reaction.  But cheeses
often bring up very unpleasant images even IF I would enjoy the taste.  The
exception is on pizza.  I don't understand it.  I'm flaky that way.
brighn
response 8 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 16:29 UTC 1998

You're refering to simple phobias, that is, phobias of a specific stimulus.
That's actually the sort that #0 is describing as well, but it's hardly the
only sort of phobia that psychologists talk about. Also, simple phobias are
rarely representative of the actual stimulus, but rather an associated
stimulus... a sexually abusive uncle may have been the only cigarette smoker
you knew as a child, and so cigarettes bring out an anxiety reaction, while
the uncle himself doesn't; the last thing you saw before the mack truck killed
your father right in front of you was a Dairy Queen, and so now you avoid
Dairy Queens. And so forth... (these are extreme examples; simple phobias can
be generated by much less, and there MAY be a direct connection, not a latent
one... an acquaintance was terrified of cats because she was attacked by a
wild one once).

Social phobia is called that, but some consider it an anxiety disorder, not
a phobia. It is *not* just an issue of having poor social skills, although
most social phobics does have poor social skills. Sure, half of Grex might
have trouble going out and being around people, but I don't think it provokes
an intense anxiety reaction in most of them... they're uncomfortable out in
public. It becomes a phobia or an anxiety disorder (by clinical definitions)
when the act generates so much fear or anxiety that there are (a) intense
physiological reactions, such as prolonged hyperventilation, mood control,
nausea, sweating, etc. (if you've had an anxiety reaction, you know the
difference between it and just discomfort) and/or (b) excessive attempts to
avoid the stimulus, or feelings of paralysis when faced with its potential.

Social phobia *is* a common problem... some estimate that as many as 20% of
the population have some degree of it sometime during their lives. But it's
not just about lacking social skills, something people should be easily able
to "get over."
orinoco
response 9 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 19:25 UTC 1998

Well, I doubt I have the Real Genuine Social Phobia, but strange people are
one of the things that freak me out the most. Water also does in some
situations - cold water, or a fast current, or just huge stretches of it. But
neither of those affects me all that much, and I dout they're worthy of being
called "phobias" ("phobiae"?)
keesan
response 10 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 02:39 UTC 1998

Children old enough to toddle suddenly become afraid of strangers, this is
a useful reaction.  It is also a good idea to be afraid of rickety ladders
and other dangerous situations.
lise
response 11 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 09:15 UTC 1998

Geez, do we all think we have social phobia? Actually, I don't really 
think I'm afraid of interacting with people; rather people in general 
terrify me, especially in crowds.  You know, going out to the mall, and 
getting in crowded elevators.  Just really looking at a bunch of 
strangers is scary. 

Some people who know me think I am afraid of germs. Although I am very 
picky about where I eat & wash my hands many times a day... well, it's 
more a "compulsion" (if that) than a phobia.

I do remember one.  I used to be (at about 14 years old) very 
homophobic! I remember I had this friend who was gay (but a boy) but I 
was just totally freaked out about lesbians. One time after some remark 
he asked if I was bi or something, and I said "Oh, God NO!".  Of 
course, it really freaked me out, because I was afraid I might be gay. 
(This reminds me, I even wrote a note to the school vice principle - i 
was always in trouble- that I thought she was a lesbian and it freaked 
"us students" -me- out. Funny how we forget the bad things we do, but 
she probably wasn't...)
gypsi
response 12 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 22:50 UTC 1998

What finally got you over the homophobia?
brighn
response 13 of 62: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 23:45 UTC 1998

#11> Do you get sweaty palms, have trouble breathing, or go out of your way
to avoid certain social settings? Are there places that you simply can't bring
yourself to go, so much that the mere thought of it makes you want to cry,
run away, or stop breathing? If so, you, too, may be a Social Phobic. Just
call 1-800-IM-SCARED, and for four low monthly payments of ... oh sorry, too
many late night infomercials.
lumen
response 14 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 03:21 UTC 1998

re: #1-- well, I like conversing in small groups, but crowds make me
positively uncomfortable, even with people I know pretty well.  I find the
chaos and shallow interaction rather unnerving, but I guess I'm a deep person.
Really, what Paul describes fits me quite well-- I also fear rejection. 
However, if I have something else to distract me, I can forget about crowds.

I used to be shy, although being manic-depressive hid it and I was rather
forced to learn to make do.  Calling people on the telephone terrified me for
the longest time until I was about 18.  Then I could talk to just about
anyone.

I still fear heights somewhat.  Escalators, rides in small airplanes,
balconies, etc. scared me a lot, but that too I began to deal with better when
I became an adult.  *but* if you even joke about pushing me off a tall
building when I'm looking over its edge, I'll be very cross with you for quite
a while.
lise
response 15 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 09:50 UTC 1998

<lise pats lumen on the back> Don't fall! ;)  

re #12: I don't know to be honest, I gradually (at about 15) started 
acknowledging my own MOTSS feelings & started getting used to the 
idea.  I remember in particular being attracted to Sophie B Hawkins in 
the "damn i wish i was your lover" video.  That's the first time I 
explicitly acknowledged to myself that I had such feelings.  My former 
homophobia seemed pretty silly by then. I realized I was mostly afraid 
of myself.  (Still am, sometimes..)
gypsi
response 16 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 10:08 UTC 1998

I was like that too, and it wasn't until I started realizing that
I'd like to kiss all of these "beautiful women" I knew or saw on TV
that I finally accepted who I was.  =)
brighn
response 17 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 14:10 UTC 1998

being attracted to sophie hawkins isn't enough in and of itself to determine
sexuality. she's one of those people that seems to be attractive to a very
diverse range of people, include very gay men and very straight women. =}

speaking of which, she's scheduled to have a new album out jan 7. yay!
 
lumen> I'm VERY afraid of myself. I'm not afraid of heights, but I'm afraid
of hills... what I'm afraid of is getting about halfway up and then getting
stuck; perhaps my car stalls out, or maybe it just doesn't have the power.
Many a nightmare based on that one.
faile
response 18 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:58 UTC 1998

I'm absoulutely horrified of large, uncontrolled crowds, particularly if 
I'm by myself.  Being stuck in a milling horde terrifies me to the point 
that I can hardly move... I can usually buck it up, grit my teeth and 
ignore it, usually if someone I know and trust is nearby, or if there is 
some great reason for me to endure it. 
keesan
response 19 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 19:01 UTC 1998

Re 17, I have had nightmares of being in a car that I could not stop, but not
one that insisted on stopping.  How can it put you in any danger to be in a
stopped car?  You can always get out of the car and continue on your way.
lise
response 20 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 10:16 UTC 1998

re 17: Indeed such an attraction alone is not, that is just a certain 
point in time or event that triggered that realization.  Like "Aha! 
That's what I want!" Sexual attraction, esp. to women, had always been 
vague to me before that.  After that, past attractions made more 
sense.  But it brings up an interesting question - do we remember 
things very differently than they happened because we interpret them in 
the frame of current knowledge & identity?  Probably, but it's weird to 
think I might be misunderstanding myself (especially when my memories 
seem so genuine).  In other words, I'd interpret those attractions 
differently if I now thought of myself as 100% straight & maybe 
wouldn't even have those memories, or would have different ones of 
liking boys when I was young.

Ok, ok, back to the topic.  I have a recurring nightmare that I am 
taking a bunch of classes and forget all about one 'til the end of the 
quarter.  It sounds ridiculous or anal retentive, but I've had the 
dream so many times now! & it's awful! (is that seriously weird?)
gypsi
response 21 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 12:34 UTC 1998

Nope...I've had the same one.  =)  Mine also involves forgetting to show up
for an exam at the end of the semester.
mta
response 22 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 15:08 UTC 1998

I've had that dream, too.  I hear it's pretty common.  For me it usually
signifies that there's something I'm neglecting to deal with.  ;)
keesan
response 23 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 22:29 UTC 1998

My related dream is signing up for too many courses and forgetting to drop
them by the deadline and having to do all the work for them before finals.
Jim dreams about not understanding his schedule or losing it and not knowing
what class to go to next, he just wanders the halls.  He never had problems
with exams, he could handle stress, but he always worried about showing up
at the right place at the right time.  Or bringing the books for  different
class, carrying a ton of books but none for that class.  He has also had the
dream in which he knows he has not been to a class for a month, that dream
happens so often it has become a part of his memory, of reality, he thinks
he really did that but cannot name a class that he skipped for a month.
bookworm
response 24 of 62: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 22:55 UTC 1998

I used to have really terrifying dreams about being alone.
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