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Grex > Glb > #2: Revelation or Experimentation? | |
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arianna
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Revelation or Experimentation?
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Nov 3 23:19 UTC 1996 |
<a little hesitant about being the 2nd item, but...>
I'd like to impart a little story upon you all. A little while ago,
I met a girl named Rebecca who's bi, and one night I fell asleep in her bed.
We both woke up sometimes in the very early morning and had an intense
discussion about things and life and such, and I ended up kissing her. I'd
never kissed a girl before, but I think I've been attracted to a few in the
past... Even though I'm not homophobic in the least, I find it a little
strange to be on the other end of things (having considered myself straight
all my life), and this is becoming a prominent question in my life-- *am* I
bi? I'm obviously attracted to men (having a boyfriend (who I met on Grex
actually (; )). But this is such a *new* thing for me...
Any words of encouragement or advice?
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blh
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response 1 of 86:
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Nov 4 02:03 UTC 1996 |
James Baldwin's book "Another Country" has some very beautiful pieces on
what you said in item 2. I believe it is ok to check things out and see
what we feel. Exploration in this area, I don't believe, is not a no
exit deal.
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brighn
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response 2 of 86:
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Nov 4 23:18 UTC 1996 |
Quite a few people who consider themselves straight have had same-sex
experiences (including my male ex-lover)... quite a few people (more,
proportionately) who consider themselves gay have had opposite-sex
experiences.
So I wouldn't say you're necessarily bi, but if you're interested in
exploring, or feel the need to, don't feel constrained not to.
(and now that erinn's broken the ice, maybe we can start getting some more
items around here =} )
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eskarina
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response 3 of 86:
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Nov 9 09:33 UTC 1996 |
I read once that only ten percent of the population is completely straight,
and at the other end, ten percent is completely gay. That leaves the rest
of us sitting somewhere in the middle of the graph, scratching our heads as
to wha we should do about all of this. Its not just social pressures, will
my friends still accept me if they know I'm attracted to them, blah blah blah,
but there's also the fact that we all see that there has been lots of violence
shown towards people who are gay and bi, and regardless of whether this is
right or wrong, some of us have decided to stay still until it all calms down.
This is an effective plug of any relationship that might have started if we
lived in a society of open-minded people (which starts on another tangent that
I've done pages about before, so I'll stop right here).
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arianna
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response 4 of 86:
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Nov 9 19:53 UTC 1996 |
Hm, I dunno that I'd feel persecuted if I declared myself bi (but then again,
look at where I am now and where I plan to be in ten years).... The
interesting thing about bi people is thgat sometimes when they have a run in
with a very homopphobic person, they're either treted like a freak or the fact
that they like their own sex as well as the opposite is simply overlooked.
(Agh, typos...)
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bronco
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response 5 of 86:
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Nov 14 17:08 UTC 1996 |
hey people. I'm a bisexual guy I have been in a straight relationship for
11yrs. I dont think in your case nightengale you should put a lable on
yourself just yet. The reason beiing that your not totaly sure you are,
and one other thing i belive in is that gay or bi one should not wear there
sexuality on ther forehead. When you get down to it what dose the opinion
of your friends have to do who or what you do in bed..I'm trying to explain
mysele her and be understood at the same time so if i loose you let me know
just e-mail me ok. I thik its just something you either like or want to
explore..see ther are many of straight guys and women who do some really far
out sex practices and for you and i know in my case same sex situtations
is just something i like to do. I like the whole atmospher of gay sex. so
please dont worry about wether or not you should tell your friend if they ask
say simply well it is somthing i like to do or try. but dont hate me just
because its not for you, and then make it clear to them that you know they
arent interested in that type of sex.....(see that will reestablish thier
sexuality boundries) there fore you wouldn't ever empose that type of
situtation on them.
I'm courious dose your boy friend know? and perhaps if you told him you
might find out he had a simillar situtation in his past...see guysten
masterbate and think of other guys or even further have jackked off with a
buddy in a non-gay situtation before..... just my thoughts....
pleas e-mail me if anyone wants to replay in person....
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birdlady
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response 6 of 86:
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Nov 14 20:04 UTC 1996 |
You know what seems funny? Years ago, if someone admitted they were gay or
bi, they usually felt guilty. But nowadays, I feel guilty and horrible for
being straight. It's almost as if bi or gay is the norm now, and that
straight people are evil, close-minded persons. Understand? ;-) <birdy
ponders> I'm still not objecting to a relationship with a woman because I
still *don't* know how I feel...but I'm simply LOTS more attracted to men.
I love women because they're hugging, sympathetic creatures who understand
me. I love men because they provide security, warmth, protection, and make
me feel sexy. The only difference is that with women, I don't feel the
intense sexual drive. <shrug>
Erinn -- the key question is...did you *enjoy* the kiss? That may provide
you with the answer to your question in #0.
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arianna
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response 7 of 86:
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Nov 15 21:38 UTC 1996 |
Hm...I did enjoy the kiss (even tho' I discovered that the thing I liked least
about it was that her tongue is incredibly short (; ). I like french kissing.
And I liked kissing her. But I don't know if I'd enjoy sex with a woman--
yet I'm not adverse to the idea. Just as I'm not adverse to the idea of gay
sex, and if I was a guy, I could see myself as being bi... Anywya, she's not
interested in the least anymore. And I'm having bf troubles...*sigh* Oh,
and Kurt, my bf knows about the incident. We have an interesting
relationship. Our sexual liasons are unimportant for the ost part (aslong
as we take care of ourselves), just as long as he knows that I love him.
And I do.
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brighn
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response 8 of 86:
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Nov 17 15:38 UTC 1996 |
*brighn DESPISES the moniker "Straight but not narrow" but notes that most
queers seem to appreciate it*
The purpose of the Kinsey scale (or the point of it, if not the purpose) is
that few people fall clearly under the "completely straight" or "completely
gay" label... most people have varying degrees of attraction to both genders,
and the question has been, how MUCH attraction do you need to have before
you're bi, or gay, or straight?
And that's in general a personal issue. Clearly someone who has never been
interested in a MOTOS (Opposite SEx) and has had dozens of relationships with
a MOTSS (Same Sex) would be hard pressed claiming to be straight, but beyond
the extremes, people are fairly free to label themselves as they please since
only they know where there attractions really lie.
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nsiddall
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response 9 of 86:
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Nov 17 20:57 UTC 1996 |
Hmmm... I don't think I much care for the term "straight" myself. Why do I
have to be straight just because I'm heterosexual? The queers have
appropriated the concept of queerness! I want to be queer too! (Not to
mention gay) I quite like the friendly insulting tone of the term
"breeders". I don't consider myself one of them, though.
It is very interesting to observe the process of self-identification, and
self-description, though. It seems like a lot people approach the question
of their own sexuality with a statement along the lines of "I am *a*
<something>" similarly to the way you would identify yourself as a member
of an ethnic group. I'm surprised that there is so much significance
attached to that. To me the question of what you *do* is more interesting
than what you *are*.
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birdlady
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response 10 of 86:
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Nov 19 17:50 UTC 1996 |
There...I changed it. Happy? =)
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brighn
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response 11 of 86:
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Nov 19 22:52 UTC 1996 |
Ecstatic. =} Thanks, hon.
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nsiddall
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response 12 of 86:
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Nov 20 06:11 UTC 1996 |
Very accomodating of you, Birdlady. You can call *me* pretty much anything
you want, though--especially since we seem to have pretty much similar
feelings about being straight, or whatever we are. You queers can call me
anything you want, too--I just hope you are sympathetic to our loneliness
and feelings of inadequacy. <This is written with a good-natured smile
about the delicious complexities of life.>
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birdlady
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response 13 of 86:
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Nov 26 16:41 UTC 1996 |
So was mine. =)
<birdy muses over the phrase "delicious complexities and decides she likes
it>
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cj
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response 14 of 86:
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Dec 13 18:05 UTC 1996 |
i think just because you liked the idea of the "first kiss" that you shouldn't
label your self as bi. being a bi female in todays world is just as common
as having a beer with a pizza. but i think that society
is pushing women to be bi. but you should be what you want. if your not sure
what that is, then take a step back and try to imagin yourself with a women
and not a man. and then take it from there. no matter what you realize, you
need to find yourself before you can awnser thath question.
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jenna
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Dec 13 22:40 UTC 1996 |
If you're bi, you can iagine yoruself with a woman and a man or a women or
a man.
And some of the woemn considering bi0sexuality hav to consider what if would
be like beyond a first time
with a man. I know some popel who've neve had relationships or sex with
MOSOS's
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arianna
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response 16 of 86:
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Dec 14 20:31 UTC 1996 |
I never drink beer with my pizza. d=
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lee
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response 17 of 86:
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Dec 15 05:04 UTC 1996 |
<tries to remember if she ever had beer with pizza and fails to remember>
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arianna
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response 18 of 86:
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Dec 15 18:17 UTC 1996 |
I have no problem with being bi.....sometimes I think guys really do belong
in a seperate catagory from women (I hate it when ppl seperate girl-people
from boy-people...grrr...people are people, damn it)....esp. times like these
when I have suddenly gained three new guy friends who are as enigmatic as can
be....
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brighn
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response 19 of 86:
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Dec 16 16:18 UTC 1996 |
I'm confused. why do you separate peopple, then say you hate it ?
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arianna
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response 20 of 86:
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Dec 17 00:29 UTC 1996 |
Exactly. I found myself doing that and thought, What a hypocrite, Erinn.
I don't separate ppl into those catagories, but I guess in an effort to
understand how this enigmatic friend of mine wsas probably thinking, I wasn't
discounting the possibility of him looking at girl-ppl and boy-ppl....*shrug*
That probably made little to no sense.... arg.
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jenna
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response 21 of 86:
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Dec 18 00:17 UTC 1996 |
I don't mind seperating people. There are undeniable genetic differences
betqeen men and women. It's just the definiton is rathr part of a physcial
description than anything else. If I want you to find my find Person
Q. who is waiting for you on the beach, telling you person Q is wearing
a blue shirt, a white backpack, and black shoes is all very nice and dancy
but it would help you more if i told you that they're tall, female, asian
and have dyed part of their black hair pink. Really, it would.
There are distinctions. They just don't mean anything outside of the physcial
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cougar
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response 22 of 86:
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Mar 25 09:04 UTC 1997 |
whoa, this has been dead for a while...
but i agree with BOTH views, how can they both be right though??hmm
it is impossible not to separate people, and at time i think it is safe to
say we all ahve unconsciencly been one ....-ist or another.
on the other hand it is unfair to use stereotypes (guilty)
or to label poeple in general, I am a hater of labels period, but still cannot
seem to avoid using the myself....hehe life goes on.
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jenna
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response 23 of 86:
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Mar 26 16:11 UTC 1997 |
Actually... Brighn and I were talking about stereotyppes in the car
last night and I came to the conclusion that its OK to stereotype people
as long as every stereotype comes with a footnote "working definition"
we classify people (others and oursevles) for ease of description.
Am I stereotyping my friends if I'm trying to tell someone how to find
one of them and describe them as "gothic vampirists with weird haircolors
and leather jackets"? You couldn't find them 1/2 as easily if I told you
they were nice people who were interested in art and liked eating at I-HOP
To me a stereotype is a misuable working definition. Some people forget
that no one is a textbook case, and that a single person can fit many
stereotypes or twist them. Still, it would bve hard to function
without them.
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jazz
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Mar 27 08:53 UTC 1997 |
Stereotyping is a good survival skill - you have to be able to be very
wary of people in trench coats in dark alleys, and at the same time, be open
with your lover - though one might have your best interests at heart, and the
other not. As long as it doesn't close your mind ...
A good movie to watch is _Love and Human Remains_, one of the few
really good "Generation X" films about "Generation X" relationships and the
new complexities this era's brought about. It features a psychic dominatrix,
a recently self-discovered gay cynic, a bisexual woman afraid to love anyone
but those who can't love her back, and a host of others.
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