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davel
kits: some assembly required? Mark Unseen   Jan 14 02:50 UTC 1998

Hmm.  I hope I'm not too far off topic *already*, but ...  I'm on a
hammered-dulcimer mailing list, where there's been a fair amount of
discussion, on & off, of kits.  From some has come the claim that they,
or someone they know, has put together one which sounds & looks pretty
good, at a fraction of the price of a fully-assembled HD; from others,
comments along the lines of "I never heard one that was better than
awful".  The HD world is a place where building your own *from*scratch*
is not all *that* uncommon.  (By way of comparison: How many guitarists
do you know who built their own?  I've played for over 30 years, & hung
out with guitarists some of that time, & never met even one.)  But I'd
judge that a kit would provide you with the opportunity to avoid most
of the precision work which, if done *slightly* wrong, will ruin the
end product - cutting the wood & drilling the holes for the tuning pins.

(Free-associating a bit:
We recently put together a file cabinet my parents had bought; a year or so
ago we assembled a desk for ourselves.  Both of these were cheap materials
(particle board, though not quite the lowest end of the genre), but seemed
to be well designed with decent hardware, etc.  (The instructions were only
so-so.)  I'd say that the prevalence of "some [meaning *all*] assembly
required" stuff may have less to do with the labor cost of assembly than with
the realities of shipping & storage.  But I could be wrong.  In any case,
do these qualify as kits in any meaningful way?)

What are your experiences with kits?  Do they actually provide the
do-it-yourselfer with savings, or do they merely provide the satisfaction
and education of, well, doing it - some of it, anyway - *yourself*?
34 responses total.
other
response 1 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 05:22 UTC 1998

I designed and build a functional, collapsible desk out of  fairly inexpensive
materials and got a result which, although ialthough it doesn't look as good
as a kit product, is better suited specifically to my needs and was a little
cheaper.
 the best part is that it is held together solidly by loose pin hinges which
can be removed and the desk broken down, without tools, for easy transport.
keesan
response 2 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 19:58 UTC 1998

My friend in Holland made her own guitar, out of apple wood, which she said
had to be aged for a few years first.  I don't know how it sounded.  (Before
that she tried for a few years to breed a long-haired grey guinea pig in the
same shed used for aging the apple wood, and since then has been growing 15'
high sunflowers.)  ER, we may eventually ask for advice on how to build
kitchen cabinets and/or shelving, have you experience in that?
other
response 3 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 22:39 UTC 1998

i can *build* all sorts of things, but i have very little experience in finish
carpentry.  my approach is rough but functional.
I built my coffee table out of scrap wood from someone's thrown-out waterbed
frame.  my bed (with large pull-out drawers) and desk, i built with purchased
materials.
keesan
response 4 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 15 00:02 UTC 1998

We made a bench out of one and saved another.  Nice sturdy prefinished wood.
scott
response 5 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 00:56 UTC 1998

The kits I guess will have to be tried to find out the true results.  I've
talked to at least a couple of guitarists who have assembled electric
instruments, with good results.
keesan
response 6 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 04:14 UTC 1998

The public library has an excellent video on Instrument Makers of Colonial
Williamsburg, showing how harpsichords and violins were made.  Judging from
the video, the kit would save you a huge amount of work.  (There are also
videos on barrelmaking and silversmithing).
other
response 7 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 06:49 UTC 1998

would barrelmaking be coopering or coopersmithing, or both?
keesan
response 8 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 23:59 UTC 1998

Or maybe coopery (as in carpenter-carpentry?).  Don't know.
keesan
response 9 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 01:50 UTC 1998

I did find coopering in Webster's, perhaps a coopersmith would be the person
who makes the iron bands that go around barrels?  In Japan I think they use
ropes instead of hoops.  Different carpentry traditions.
orinoco
response 10 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 04:51 UTC 1998

There's a book at the public library you may want to check out, davel, only
I've got it right now - it's called 'making wooden folk instruments' or some
such, and includes plans for building a hammered dulcimer from scratch...it
looks like something do-able, if you have a decent amount of carpentry skill.
Of course, I don't have a decent amound of carpentry skill, so what do I
know...
davel
response 11 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:20 UTC 1998

<dave hastens to say that he knows better than to try to build a dulcimer, but
that discussions of kits on the list made him think of entering this item>
rcurl
response 12 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 18:53 UTC 1998

I built a harpsichord from a Zuckerman kit in 1965. The kit cost $150, and
the additional wood and hardware ca. $120. The parts that came in the
"kit" were the (unfinished) soundboard (1/8" spruce ply is hard to find),
keyboard (plastic key veneer), jacks and jack rail and slide
(unassembled), and metal parts except hinges. One builds the inner and
outercases, nut, bridge, etc, and also cuts, installs and adjusts all the
plectra. I built it on my living room floor, but used power machinery at
the U. I learned to play it - or rather, some pieces on it - over the next
few years. It is a single-manual, singly-stringed instrument of 4 3/4
octaves with manual piano-forte and lute stops (no pedals). Besides my own
use of it, on some occasions I loaned it out for use in plays or other
performances. I've rather neglected it recently, and it needs a thorough
tuning and 'voicing'.

keesan
response 13 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 19:25 UTC 1998

Rane, if you will get back with us in late March or early April, we know a
piano tuner who could probably help you learn to tune the harpsichord, or
maybe you already know how?
rcurl
response 14 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 20:00 UTC 1998

I am quite competent at tuning and voicing my harpsichord. I've converted
from a pitch pipe to my laptop, however. Voicing is *much* more difficult
than tuning, which is what puts me off. It is said that Bach spent an
hour voicing his harpsichord before every time he played it (I suspect
not more than twice a day, though....). 
keesan
response 15 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 20:29 UTC 1998

What does it mean to 'voice' a harpsichord?
orinoco
response 16 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 20:48 UTC 1998

(If it's anything like the meaning of the word for the piano, and I'm not
confusing it with something else, I think it means fixing the tone, rather
than the pitch, of the strings)
keesan
response 17 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 21:43 UTC 1998

How do you do that?
orinoco
response 18 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 04:16 UTC 1998

duh...I dunno... :)
rcurl
response 19 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 05:49 UTC 1998

The strings on a harpsichord are plucked, not struck. The pectra on early
(and my) instruments were leather, cut just so, to provide a not too stiff
and not too soft "pluck". This depends on the leather, its undercut (how
the underside is cut back from the tip), how far it extends past the
string, and its history of manipulation. After you have cut the plectrum
and set it into the jack, you can adjust its position slightly with a
screw in the jack, and adjust its resilence by 'working' it to soften it,
or applying some nail polish (!) to the underside to harden it. Whatever
you do - it later changes with use and the weather. The undercut must also
be smooth so that when the key is released, the plectrum can be forced
slightly to the side to slip past the string (it is retained in position
against a stop by a light spring). There are 54 of these jacks...awaiting
your (daily) personal attention.

orinoco
response 20 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 04:04 UTC 1998

what did they use after they stopped using leather, then?
keesan
response 21 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 04:47 UTC 1998

And I thought I had problems trimming my clarinet reed.  I used to glue on
new cork pads with nail polish, invaluable stuff.  It sounds like harpsichord
maintenance is a full-time job, building it must have been the easy part.
n8nxf
response 22 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 16:13 UTC 1998

What software do you use to tune your harpsichord, Rane?  We will be
inheriting a player piano in the next few years and it will need some
major tuning and will need to be retuned frequently after that.  At
least that is what I am told.  At least I don't need to worry about
voicing, right?
orinoco
response 23 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 04:34 UTC 1998

Well, voicing does exist for the piano, but in a much less arduous form,
because the piano mechanism (I would guess from what I've seen) is much less
exacting.  It's still possible to change the tone by fiddling with the action,
changing the hardness of the felt on the hammers, and so forth.  
Are you planning on learning how to tune your piano yourself, then, or on
having someome else do it?
n8nxf
response 24 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 12:00 UTC 1998

I would like to learn to do it myself.  At least to the point of
frustration ;-)  I don't play piano, however, I have a pretty good
ear for such things.
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