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goose
Help Low Power FM Radio! Mark Unseen   Apr 8 21:56 UTC 2000

Michael Bracy <mbracy@bracywilliams.com> wrote:
>
>
>   Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:57:03 -0400
>   Subject: House of Reps vote on LPFM?
>
>
>   In January, the FCC voted to create a new class
>   of community based, non-commercial Low Power FM
>   radio stations.
>
>   Now, at the behest of the National Association of
>   Broadcasters and National Public Radio, the House
>   of Representatives is preparing next week to
>   overturn the FCC's decision by passing HR 3439.
>   This bill would require a year of "testing" LPFM
>   in 9 markets, and a positive vote by Congress
>   before full implementation of LPFM by the FCC.
>   Given the obvious strength of the broadcast
>   lobby, this bill would essentially kill Low Power
>   radio in all but the most rural communities.
>
>   If you care a whit about Low Power Radio, you
>   must call or email your Congressional
>   representative between today and Monday, April
>   10. You must make your friends call or email your
>   Congressional representatives. You must make the
>   people who aren't your friends but you sortof
>   know call or email your Congressional
>   representatives. Tell them to oppose HR 3439.
>   Tell them community radio needs to be expanded,
>   not subject to further regulations. And tell them
>   that you will not stand for caving in to the
>   broadcast lobby.
>
>   All members of Congress can be reached through
>   the main Capitol switchboard, 202 224-3121. If
>   you need to know the name of your Congressman, go
>   to politics.yahoo.com and enter your zip code.
>
>   This is for real - without a pushback from Low
>   Power Radio supporters this bill will pass the
>   House next week. We've got three days to generate
>   20,000 emails and phone calls. We all need your
>   support.
>
>   Best,
>   Michael Bracy
>   Low Power Radio Coalition
>   202 661-2065
>   mbracy@bracywilliams.com
>
>



The Low Power Radio Coalition
http://www.lowpowerradio.org/      
41 responses total.
krj
response 1 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 06:00 UTC 2000

Winter Agora item 80 now linked as Music item 247.
tpryan
response 2 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 15:23 UTC 2000

        Was anything operating locally around the Ann Arbor area yet?

        I have thought that Ann Arbor would have been granted more
commercial FM licenses (for its size) if it was not overshadowd
by all of Detroit radio.
keesan
response 3 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 16:07 UTC 2000

I hear that the university already broadcasts in the dorms, at very very low
power.  Where are there free spots in the frequency spectrum?  91.1?
rcurl
response 4 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 16:40 UTC 2000

91.1 is WUOM Flint. There are, of course, no "free spots" in the FM
broadcast band overall, but the same "spots" are used again and again so
long as they are sufficiently separated. FM is very good about this as the
mode really suppresses weak interference, unlike AM. WUOM Ann Arbor is at
91.7, but so is WCMU in Alpena, etc. There is, consequently, lots of local
free spots for low power stations. You isn't an audible station now at
every step of 0.2 Mhz. 

raven
response 5 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 18:59 UTC 2000

I have linked this to cyberpunk. Thanks for the tip.  I have been interested
in "pirate radio" since the days Stephen Dunifer was getting harrased about
his micro transmitter in Berkeley.
rcurl
response 6 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 20:16 UTC 2000

In #4: s/isn't/don't find/  (don't know how that happened... 8^{ )
hhsrat
response 7 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 23:15 UTC 2000

Why step in .2 Mhz?  I've always wondered if wouldn't be better to step 
in .1 MHz so you can get more stations.  Somebody correct me, I'm 
probalby wrong, there's probably something that i don't know about.
orinoco
response 8 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 23:18 UTC 2000

I seem to remember hearing that some areas have odd decimals and some areas
have even decimals, and that the two alternate, and this reduces interference.
rcurl
response 9 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 04:14 UTC 2000

That would hardly reduce interference. The reason for 0.2 Mhz is the
bandwidth of FM signals for hi-fi music transmission, which is
significantly greater than that of an AM signal. That's why FM is only
found at high frequencies where there is more "cycles". 

keesan
response 10 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 21:11 UTC 2000

Is there some way to reduce FM bandwidth before adding more weak stations?
As things are, WUOM/91.7 already interferes with listening to Toledo and
adding a station in between the two would wipe out Toledo.
I think I am getting 89.9 (CBC), 90.3 (WKAR), 90.5 (WDTR), 91.3 (Toledo WGTE)
and 91.7 (WUOM).    90.3 extends from 90.2 to 90.4.    89.9 from 89.8 to 90.0.
This leave 90.1 free.  There is some weak station at 90.9, leaving 90.7 free.
91.0, 91.1.   You could fit in four weak stations that broadcast very
narrowly.   Why does WUOM take up so much bandwidth?
jmsaul
response 11 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 22:03 UTC 2000

Put an antenna on your roof and you'll be able to pull distant stations in
better.
other
response 12 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 22:21 UTC 2000

the wider bandwidth for FM is inherent , isn't it?  FM stands for "frequency
modulation" so i would think that a certain frequency range minimum around
the carrier frequency would be required for analog transmission.  Digital
would be a different story.

The stronger a signal, the more bandwidth it can appear to occupy if the
receiver is not properly shielded.  That is why I only get three stations on
my stereo: WCBN (88.3); WUOM (91.7) and; WKQL (107.1).  WUOM comes in staticky
with interference from WKQL, and all the rest of the band all the way up to
108 is nothing but WKQL.  Oh, and I can get WIQB, but i don't distinguish it
much from WKQL, as i seem to have equal desire to hear it.
rcurl
response 13 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 04:46 UTC 2000

#10 sounds like a cheap FM receiver, with poor station separation. 

If you reduce FM bandwidth, fidelity goes out the window. 

FM is different from AM in that the stronger signal easily overwhelms
the weaker signal - much more so than with AM. WUOM is a strong signal
so its sidebands are stronger and hence extend further to each side
of the central (carrier) frequency as received. 

I don't have immediately at hand the number for broadcast FM, but the way
it works is that a low frequency oscillator, say 10 Mhz, is frequency
modulated with a bandpass of, say, +/- 10 Khz. This signal is then
frequency multiplied up to, say, 100 Mhz, or by a factor of 10.  This same
factor also multiplies the sidebands, so they become +/- 100 Khz. This is
a great oversimplification, but there you have that required 200 Khz
station separation.

other
response 14 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 18:27 UTC 2000

I'm nowhere near a signal processing engineer, and i even understood most 
of that.  :)
goose
response 15 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 17:56 UTC 2000

RE#2 -- No, the rules were not yet put into place (although they'd been
aprroved by the FCC)  the NAB is trying to use it's influence in congress to
prevent the enacing of these already FCC approved rules.

keesan
response 16 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 19:11 UTC 2000

My receiver is not a cheap receiver.  It gets Toledo much better than most,
but you have to tune carefully so as not to get too much WUOM with it.
scott
response 17 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 19:49 UTC 2000

(Oh come, Cindi.  Are you going to tell me spent a lot of money on this
receiver?  ;)  ;)  ;)
rcurl
response 18 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 20:59 UTC 2000

I get no interference from WUOM (91.7) on Toledo (91.3) on my home
tuner. (I am using a indoor but powered antenna.)
gull
response 19 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 16:20 UTC 2000

Am I the only one who is extremely disappointed to see NPR lobbying
*against* something that would promote freedom of expression?
diznave
response 20 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 16:29 UTC 2000

WHAT!?  NPR is actively lobbying against low power radio?  <stunned>
 -This- I'm going to have to look into. Dave, where did you find out about
this?
goose
response 21 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 16:33 UTC 2000

Yeah, please fill us in on this. 
goose
response 22 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 16:47 UTC 2000

Here's their offical comments as reported to the FCC in rgards to the (then)
proposed rulemaking:

http://www.npr.org/inside/981207.legal.html

gull
response 23 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 17:16 UTC 2000

I was going by #0, which indicated the NPR was part of the opposition.  The
web page confirms this, though I can understand some of their reasoning.

It'd also undermine their "If NPR doesn't do it, who will?" slogan. ;>
goose
response 24 of 41: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 17:19 UTC 2000

Heh..whoops, I skimmed over the first paragraph.
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