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steve
Things that Grex might do better Mark Unseen   Sep 26 13:07 UTC 1996

   What things are there on other systems that you like, and
might be done here on Grex?

   I'm not thinking about technical things so much, as social
or administrative.  Given that Grex is *huge* compared to what it
was two years ago, I wonder if there what betters ways there might
be to do various things.

   Grex's policies have largely been born out of a distinct dislike
of over regulation and emphasis on freedom.  I think this approach
has been very successful, but I do stop and think about what things
we could do better?
143 responses total.
kerouac
response 1 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 17:32 UTC 1996

I'd like to see Grex providing more information about where similar
services may be found.  Maintain a database of sorts, with addrssess
and phone #'s of other servers, so that people coming here from India or
other countries and states and counties, can have read access.  I'd
like to see links to as many as possible offered through the web page.
The web page should be offering a whole menu of links.
janc
response 2 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 20:01 UTC 1996

That's a good idea.  But the list is short.
steve
response 3 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 20:55 UTC 1996

   Yes a very good idea.
adbarr
response 4 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:04 UTC 1996

Grex should offer itself as an example to be followed (in local context) and
links to other similar systems is an excellent idea. This would be a real
service. Shouldn't Backtalk be a central part of this effort?
tsty
response 5 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 05:38 UTC 1996

again, i suggest a /Library subdirectory ............
arthurp
response 6 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 07:02 UTC 1996

I like the idea of the links very much, and this idea of a library directory
sounds like the perfect implementation.  No one ever said that the directories
in / had to remain at the defaults.  The name may make us Un*x heads cringe,
and if it does in the spirit of ftp, how about /pub/docs?
popcorn
response 7 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 18:02 UTC 1996

I've created the directory /usr/local/grexdoc/library, owned by tsty, for TS
to build into a Grex library.  It's empty right now.  TS, would you be the
librarian?  I would think this directory would need careful structuring to
keep it organized so that other people can find things in it.
orinoco
response 8 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 18:49 UTC 1996

what sort of thinks would go in the library?
arthurp
response 9 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 19:52 UTC 1996

Well, I guess if someone thinks they have a worthy 'book' donation, they
should  make a pitch for it to the library director.
tsty
response 10 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 08:33 UTC 1996

WOW!! great! you betcha! thankxx!
  
there will be a README.TXT file entered within 48 hours with contents
approximating (comment here if you want) the list of topic subdirectories.
 
my first finger-frothing ideas would be for science, politics, health,
(?recipies?), EFF/CDA/etc, (?board minutes, minus comment?), URLs of
neat places with a short description, sports, and ..... other subdirectories
as suggested by ... y'all.
  
ajax
response 11 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 13:17 UTC 1996

Board minutes are already available in /usr/local/grexdoc/archives/minutes,
in addition to being accessible through Grex's web site.
chelsea
response 12 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 13:27 UTC 1996

Also at /usr/local/grexdoc/archives is a copy of the bylaws, our
Articles of Incorporation, our Dungeon lease, and the language
and summaries of membership votes.

I believe it has also been setup that entering !minutes at
any prompt will bring up a list of all Board minutes.

Valerie, would you mind installing the text of our new lease
(xxx-ing out any security sensitive information)?
janc
response 13 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 13:39 UTC 1996

(only thing that might be security sensitive in there is the description of
 the exact room being rented.  In the past we've made a policy of being a
 bit vague about exactly where Grex's machines are and not publicizing
 exact instructions on how to find them.)
popcorn
response 14 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 14:28 UTC 1996

Re 7: At TS's request, the library directory has been renamed to Library
(that is, it's now /usr/local/grexdoc/Library).  He's created an account
called "library" to be the librarian.

Re 12: Will do.  Any suggestions about the file names?  That is, should I
rename our current lease to "lease.old" or "lease.dungeon" or something, and
the new lease as "lease"?
chelsea
response 15 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 14:45 UTC 1996

I've changed lease to lease.dungeon.  Which means we could give
the new lease the cool name of lease.pumpkin.

Thanks, Valerie.
kerouac
response 16 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 14:55 UTC 1996

I dont think enough people read coop, so I'd like to see the Board
secretary start a mailing list and routinely emial out the board 
er..email out the board meeting minutes and other pertinent 
announcements.  This is routinely done on other systems.  There are
likely more members and users out there who would read these items
through a mailing list than would bother to come to coop or agora.

Just run a note in the MOTD that a Grex system issues mailing list
is being started that will include regularly the minutes of each
board meetings, special announcements, and the newsletter if that
ever comes off.  Anyone who wants to can sign up by emailing staff .etc
chelsea
response 17 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 15:10 UTC 1996

Richard, have you taken your medication today?
rcurl
response 18 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 15:12 UTC 1996

In most organizations minutes are mailed only to the board and committees.
In some, though, an offer is made for individuals to be sent them for
some fee (though they are always available to anyone). However on Grex
they are posted after the meetings. The simplest thing here is to routinely
post a note in the MOTD that the minutes of the meeting have been posted
in coop (item #), just as the meeting itself is announced in MOTD. No
need for a separate list. The newsletter ("if that ever comes off") should
be handled as a separate matter.
kerouac
response 19 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 15:53 UTC 1996

#17, Mary, gee, I suggest something that is a practical means of
improving communication among system users, and you act like Im sick?

Actually, the motd is useless because noone reads it.  I guarantee you
that 99.9% oof grexusers dont pay attention to their screen until the
Agora screen comes up.  So you could argue that every user on grex
should be on suchb a mailing list, and that they can request to be taken
off.  I dont see what that would hurt, and I certianly think that
at least a voluntary mailing list is a good idea.  
robh
response 20 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 16:22 UTC 1996

kerouac's 99.9 percent figure is obviously exaggerated, but his
basic idea is correct, the motd is a bad place to put announcements
intended for a small subgroup of Grex users.

Of course, the thought of subscribing every user on Grex to ANY
mailing list without asking them first is moronic, even by
kerouac's standards.
kerouac
response 21 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 16:27 UTC 1996

So during "newuser"m, add a line that says:

Do you want to be on the system issues mailingl ist ? (y/n)
ajax
response 22 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 17:32 UTC 1996

Personally, I feel that Grex has made minutes and other information
adequately available.  People have to read what's on their screen,
and type a few commands or click a few web links, but they can get
the information.  A mailing list might not be bad, but it adds some
work for a volunteer, to save some work for users, and I don't think
most volunteers would view the benefit as worth the effort.

Richard, since this is something you'd like to see done, how about
you do it?  You can maintain the mailing list, and forward information
posted in the co-op conference.  It would be a fair amount of work,
but if you feel it's that important, perhaps you'd be willing?
kerouac
response 23 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 20:18 UTC 1996

I think any mailing list would have to have a special email address,
because any responses (replies, constructive or just wanting to be
taken off) would need to go to staff.  Nobody is going to want to
have their personal email box taken up by this.  It should be run out of
staff@cyberspace.org ideally, or some other general (non user-specific
email address)

I dont think the info is adequately available, I dont think most users
even know what coop is much less come here and I dont think most users
read motd.  

But ajax, in answer to your question, I'd be willing to do this
provided newuser is amended as I've suggested so users can option themselves
onto the list right at the outset.  I can just set up some official
sounding email address (grexofficial@cyberspace.org) and put in a
.forward file to staff's email box.  As long as users have the option
to not be on the list to begin with, I dont think too many people will
harass to get off after the fact.  Just have to see.

rcurl
response 24 of 143: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 21:11 UTC 1996

The users that don't know what coop is, and don't read the motd, don't know
that grex has a board, and therefore don't need board minutes.
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