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Grex > Coop7 > #81: Final warning: GAMES conference about to die | |
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davel
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Final warning: GAMES conference about to die
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Jul 31 10:50 UTC 1995 |
There's something that should be announced here in coop, I think. It's
been raised in email to cfadm and in the cf in question, and I somehow
didn't realize that it hadn't come up here.
It was pointed out that almost all of the items in the games conference
were inactive, that the FW (morel) was rarely if ever on the system, and
that other conferences, notably rpg, have been created which apparently
preempt topics which might go in the games conference. Therefore it was
proposed that all active games conference items be linked into rpg - which
has now been done for a while, I think - and that games be archived and
deleted. An announcement to this effect was posted in games, drawing
no discussion as far as I know. morel's opinion was sought, and he
raised no objection.
Before I go ahead and actually kill the conference, I thought its
impending demise should be announced here. This is your
opportunity to offer *your* opinion, even if you don't care about the
games conference enough to actually join it and read announcements
posted there.
(Of course, some may then complain that it should have been posted in
whatever conferences *they* prefer to read, instead of in coop which
only the inner circle bothers with.)
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popcorn
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response 1 of 26:
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Jul 31 11:48 UTC 1995 |
Would it be OK to have the name "games" point to the rpg conference,
so that people who type "join games" end up finding something?
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steve
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response 2 of 26:
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Jul 31 12:24 UTC 1995 |
That makes a lot of sense.
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carson
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response 3 of 26:
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Jul 31 17:29 UTC 1995 |
There are many other games other than role-playing games.
I've been thinking about changing IQ/puzzle to a more game-friendly
conference. If the alias "games" becomes up for grabs, I'd like to
grab it for the IQ/puzzle conference.
(I take it that means ryan1 isn't using games as his public pissing
ground anymore. :) )
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sidhe
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response 4 of 26:
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Jul 31 22:24 UTC 1995 |
Probably not.
If games is dead, then letting it go is not objectionable.
Also, giving the games alias to rpg or carson's IQ/puzzle is, IMNSHO,
a good idea.
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kerouac
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response 5 of 26:
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Jul 31 23:58 UTC 1995 |
There are a lot of confs that need to be re-thought. RobH is
openly talking about killing the "sex" conf (due to disinterest and
twitification), and other confs are almost as dead as "games" The
A-bomb item in agora and related response has gotten me wishing we
had more such response in the "history' conf...but the fw there hasnt
even logged on in two months.
The problem is that getting new fws and re-starting confs isnt
necessarily solving the problem. The problem is re-generating
interest in the confs when it seems like fewer people are using grex
for confing purposes than ever. Im not exactly sure why this is.
Is it for some of the reasons sidhe is suggesting? Is it because
new users arent being encouraged to conf? Is it because non-local
grexers dont want to conf on a non-local board and only want to use
mail and party?
Grex cant be healthy without a strong conferencing atmosphere...talk
about technical upgrades all you want, but its through conferencing that'
you form a community. And that is where Grex is falling off these days.
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orwell
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response 6 of 26:
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Aug 1 01:37 UTC 1995 |
Preach on, brother richard....You took the words right out of my mouth.
But as usual, you were much more eloquent that i would have been.
Conferencing is defintley the heart and soul of grex.
Something that i was having a little probelm with is being able to use
the conferences faster. I know about the ".cflist" command and that
does wonders, but i think a better way to browse the conferences would
enhance the quality/qunatity of interest.
The way it is now, i have to enter a conference and plow through them
individually to find new responses by using the "read ?? new" command.
IS there a way to selectively choose items within a conference and
have a command that will only go to the neww responses in the
particualr items that you are interested in? IT would be a great help.
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davel
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response 7 of 26:
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Aug 1 04:38 UTC 1995 |
The read command defaults to reading only new, non-forgotten items &
responses. Only if you specify item numbers or ranges do you have to
*say* "new". So the normal system for people using a .cflist is to enter
"n" (for "next") to go to the next cf with new stuff, and then to say
"r" (for "read") to read said new stuff.
This public service announcement is brought to you by the INFO conference,
where questions such as this one are asked and answered.
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srw
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response 8 of 26:
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Aug 1 06:36 UTC 1995 |
kerouac and orwell are onto something. We can get new confs created.
We can kill dead ones. We can reshape and redesign them. This is
all probably stuff we ought to do to get things better organized.
HOWEVER, IMNSHO this will not make a huge difference in the quality of
conferencing here.
What conferencing needs is some really good items
to get entered. This is not easy, but it is worth it. If people
take the time to formulate a really good item (RGI) then others will
flock to it and respond. This is called "content" and I agree that
"content" is how systems are measured.
Grex conferncing could stand to have more "content".
Grex's conferencing system is indeed how its community will be defined,
so I think this will lead to a better Grex community all around, and
be a generally very good thing (VGT).
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kerouac
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response 9 of 26:
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Aug 1 19:31 UTC 1995 |
One reason I think that the confs are less active might be the fact that
Grex has attracted a high number of younger users in the last year. There
are nights when one can log on party and have to look long and hard to find
anyone over the age of 16 or 17. And this is fine, young people need a place
to come to and Grex is good for their purposes. But few of these people
have any interest in confing because reading confs takes time and few confs
here are orientated to attract their interests.
I'd like to see picospan streamlined, maybe offer a separate menu of
conferences for younger people, and a re-organization of the confs in the
main setup. Clearly some confs should be deleted, and others merged. I
think drift items that are over a year old or have more than three or four
hundred responses are ridiculous and should be frozen or re-started.
The basic idea is that picospan conferencing needs to be user-friendly to
new users. Most new logins are slower to begin with and it makes it very
difficult to get into conferencing in a participatory way. It speaks
volumes that Grex might have seven or eight thousand users, but probably
not more than a hundred or so who read the confs regularly and less than
that who participate. I dont see that changing unless picospan is changed
and packaged differently.
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dpc
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response 10 of 26:
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Aug 1 21:27 UTC 1995 |
Kerouac, are there any reliable measuresof the number of people who
read the conferences regularly?
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kerouac
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response 11 of 26:
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Aug 2 00:06 UTC 1995 |
I dont know if there is...is there a logging mechanism in picospan that
logs every time someone enters a particular conf?
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robh
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response 12 of 26:
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Aug 2 01:33 UTC 1995 |
The PicoSpan command "participants" will (VERY slowly) list
every single Grex user in the current conference, along with
the last time they joined the conference. It's sorted by
user ID number, so you'd need to sort through it so see
how many people have logged in during the last week, for
instance.
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scg
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response 13 of 26:
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Aug 2 04:33 UTC 1995 |
If I'm remembering right (I'm sure Marcus will correct me if I'm wrong), it
does that by looking in each person's home directory for a participation file
for the conference. It worked well before Grex was on the Internet, but would
now have to go through more than 7,000 home directories.
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carson
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response 14 of 26:
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Aug 2 06:58 UTC 1995 |
yah, it takes forever.
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mdw
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response 15 of 26:
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Aug 2 08:12 UTC 1995 |
No, PicoSpan doesn't have any easy way to log just "being" in a
conference. Particularly for agora, that's not a good measure of
conference usage. Rather than looking at readerrrs, it's best to look
at writers, or active participants, and for that, one need merely look
at the items. Interesting statistics include the # of users who compose
responses, enter items, the # of responses & items per week, etc.
Passive readers will of course make up the hidden part of the iceberg of
conference usage; but they can assumed to be more or less proportional
to the % of active writing that goes on.
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popcorn
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response 16 of 26:
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Aug 2 11:59 UTC 1995 |
Ja, I've heard that most people who read the conferences only lurk and
never actually enter any responses. Only a small percentage of people
actually enter responses. (But I haven't looked at any statistics myself
to see if that's true.) It's kinda like all of us who enter responses are
in this huge glass fishbowl, with lots of other people looking on.
Some people spend a long time as lurkers, and then eventually someone makes
a comment that gives them a burning urgent desire to respond, so they enter
their first response. After that, hopefully they feel they've crossed the
threshhold out of lurkerdom and they start participating.
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davel
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response 17 of 26:
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Aug 3 03:06 UTC 1995 |
set interesting_&_significant_drift OFF
OK, both rpg & iq have been suggested as recipients of the alias "games".
Is there any consensus as to which one it should be? (I can, of course,
go ahead and kill the games conference leaving this to be decided later.)
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popcorn
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response 18 of 26:
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Aug 3 12:46 UTC 1995 |
I withdraw my suggestion of pointing "games" to "rpg", since I think
the IQ conference is a better place for it.
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carson
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response 19 of 26:
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Aug 4 08:47 UTC 1995 |
i think the game aliad should be linked to the iq conference too there are lots
of games in the iq conference and games need iq to work can the iq conference
have the games alias please please with sherry on top thank you :)
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davel
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response 20 of 26:
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Aug 5 13:42 UTC 1995 |
OK, it's done. The games conference is now archived, as /bbs/games.tgz.
(That means that it's in a tar archive which has been gzip'd.)
IQ (PUZZLE) now owns the name.
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carson
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response 21 of 26:
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Aug 5 19:10 UTC 1995 |
thank you very very much i will go over and see what i can do to make the
nce that would be nice they would like that maybe i can get people to start
reading it again that would be cool thank you very much again i amnot old
enough to really by sherry though so you will have to get it yourself
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popcorn
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response 22 of 26:
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Aug 5 20:36 UTC 1995 |
<valerie wonders who this Baxter character is, who got into Carson's
account>
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davel
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response 23 of 26:
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Aug 7 10:12 UTC 1995 |
This response has been erased.
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davel
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response 24 of 26:
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Aug 7 10:15 UTC 1995 |
<dave also wants Carson back>
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