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Grex > Coop7 > #41: Subdirectory for "important file finds 'out there'" |  |
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tsty
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Subdirectory for "important file finds 'out there'"
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May 5 21:20 UTC 1995 |
I would like Grex to create a filespace named something like "library"
which will contain "stuff" off the net gathered for anonymous and
other non-members ... and members too ...
There already might be a public place about which I may have
forgetten, but it should be the repository for browsing information
that someone considers "important" as they would perceive "important."
In view of this desire, but not knowing exactly where to put it,
I have started a subdirectory in /tmp (a dangerous place though)
and which may be moved about by staff to a better location.
The subdirectory is library and the first thing in it is
a subdirectory named kent.state since +I+ consider the 4 May
incidents to be of "invaluable importance" vis-a-vis "state" anarchy
or something very close thereto.
Someone may wish to start and ok.city subdirectory, some may
wish to begin a subdirectory on supreme.court or somesuch.
Rowing forward through tomorrow without an excellant vision from
behind us is nearly an excercise in frustration. And this applies
as much to politics as well as medicine and ecology and other
subject fields, local as well as national as well as planetary.
The kent.state subdirectory has, at the moment, just one file
from http://www.kent.edu (gotten with lynx) about the Kent State
Unviersity Police Department records.
I would recommend that all files be gzipped for space considerations
since zmore is such an easy way to read them.
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scg
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response 1 of 47:
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May 6 05:20 UTC 1995 |
Would this be the sort of thing it would be better to do in html?
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tsty
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response 2 of 47:
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May 6 12:34 UTC 1995 |
is html a subdirectory?
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peacefrg
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response 3 of 47:
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May 6 15:07 UTC 1995 |
Speaking of html, I am making an html item. What conference shall I make it in?
I have a lot of questions. And people have been e-mailing me asking me
questions about it that I don't know.
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rcurl
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response 4 of 47:
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May 6 18:12 UTC 1995 |
HTML is an internet language related to browser clients, and these
have been frquent Item topics in the internet cf.
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steve
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response 5 of 47:
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May 7 04:17 UTC 1995 |
This is a neat idea. We need something that is like /tmp,
but is more safe. I believe that this will get erased the next
time the system is rebooted.
A couple of questions:
- Everyone has access to write into /library (for lack of a better
word), but can people change others data? I would think not. IN
that sense it's like /tmp.
- Any 'rules' about what is to go in there?
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popcorn
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response 6 of 47:
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May 7 16:36 UTC 1995 |
This response has been erased.
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dang
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response 7 of 47:
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May 7 17:37 UTC 1995 |
what is /usr/local/inet? What exactally is the proposed /library for?
Sort of a history of significant events? Political? Social? Techie?
Any guidlines?
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brenda
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response 8 of 47:
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May 8 07:55 UTC 1995 |
Is this for an archive of public files? the newuser program clearly
states that grex doesn't have or support any such thing.
It'd be nice if we did, but it seems like even more disk space and
bandwidth being used (people logging on just to d/l files, etc.)
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rcurl
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response 9 of 47:
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May 8 20:11 UTC 1995 |
On the one hand, it would serve Grex's purposes to have *information*
on line; on the other hand, we can't handle all that is available
(by far!). Some sort of compromise needs to be chosen. I'm not
sure *when* choosing a compromise will be necessary, but it will be
pretty quickly if users get into the swing, and move everything they
think is important, or "neat", here.
On the third hand, space (and bandwidth) would go a lot further if only
the INDEX were kept here: users could then go to the external host
to obtain the document. Then that raises the problem of using up
filespace (again) with copies (possibly multiple!) of downloaded material.
If, however, the user filespace limits are in effect, that would be
mostly temporary storage, prior to download to users' desk/lap/tops.
So, on the 5th hand, perhaps an archive should be limited to just
Grex-relevant material - a pretty limited, but growing, inventory.
So, where is the "happy medium"?
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steve
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response 10 of 47:
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May 9 00:50 UTC 1995 |
Grex can afford to keep a library on line, espically once we've
gotten around the damned disk problem. 10M would hold a lot of text;
100M would hold a fairly reasonable amount of text.
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ajax
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response 11 of 47:
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May 9 03:56 UTC 1995 |
Hey, with a gig we could digitize a couple minutes of footage of the
Kent State incident! ;-) Text does go a long way though. One thing
I'd suggest, if Grex starts providing a library of on-line texts, is
keeping a library catalog of some sort. HTML-style indexing seems even
better, but would be harder to do if anyone can add to it (i.e. there's
no central "librarian(s).") Say, how about linking this to co-op?
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scg
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response 12 of 47:
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May 9 04:29 UTC 1995 |
The html indexing would still work, as long as we told people who were
adding stuff to also send mail to whoever was maintaining the html index.
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nephi
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response 13 of 47:
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May 9 06:48 UTC 1995 |
(Agora 125 is now linked to Coop 41.)
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tsty
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response 14 of 47:
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May 10 18:12 UTC 1995 |
thank you, coop fw ...<g>.
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steve
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May 10 22:15 UTC 1995 |
There is a down side to this that I thought of today, that
being FTP access to it. If this became popular, people FTPing
to Grex in order to suck up interesting things. Thats something
to consider, methinks.
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nephi
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response 16 of 47:
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May 10 22:21 UTC 1995 |
Hmm. I would think that that would be a good thing.
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scg
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response 17 of 47:
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May 10 22:56 UTC 1995 |
The problem with FTPing to it is that it would suck up bandwidth, but
people reading it would suck up bandwidth also, so I'm not sure that's as
much of a problem as it might seem to be.
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selena
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response 18 of 47:
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May 11 02:11 UTC 1995 |
Hey, either way, it sucks! <joke!>
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tsty
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response 19 of 47:
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May 11 03:13 UTC 1995 |
So ... who says that the Grex Library has to be advertised hither
and yon?
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peacefrg
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response 20 of 47:
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May 11 04:13 UTC 1995 |
Question...Is there a way for me to find my first posting to agora?
Not this seasons. But my first ever?
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nephi
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response 21 of 47:
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May 11 04:20 UTC 1995 |
It it turns out to be a library, of good, solid educational material,
I would think that it *should* be advertised "hither and yon".
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rcurl
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May 11 07:02 UTC 1995 |
The purpose of Grex is to provide public services. This is a public
service that, in some senses, is more *public* than (say) private mail
(but not to disparage that public service). Providing public services
*consume bandwidth* (to avoid that vacuum verb) - that's what we are here
to do.
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steve
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May 11 19:00 UTC 1995 |
TS, Anything that Grex does gets advertised hither and yon and
even elsewhere. I'm really amazed at the number of people who have
expressed their various ways of discovering Grex. I know that in
New Zealand, South Africa, Korea and Scotland, mention of Grex has
occured in school newwspapers as this unusual site run by Americans
for anyone to use. The korean person I talked to was great in his
choice of english words, describing it. I really wish I had been
able to capture that output, 'cause it was really funny, and neat.
So, if we make a /library, you can bet there will be people
going for it. I trust that however big Grex grows, it will never
keep up with the usage for it, and we'll always have this problem
with an incredibly slow link. ...Does anyone doubt that Grex
coudn't effectively use a T1 link (1.544 million bps)?
However, Steve (scg) does make a good point: if you are
coming across the link to look at /library, does it really
matter how you do it? Ultimately from Grex's links point of
view, it doesn't.
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ajax
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response 24 of 47:
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May 11 22:11 UTC 1995 |
I'm sure we could fill several thousand T1s if we had the cpus and disks
to keep up! Of course Jan would need to add MPEG capabilities to party.
One minor diff between people ftping vs. logging in to read: I know logins
are limited in quantity...are ftp sessions? It seems similar to the request
for people not to use Grex as strictly a mail forwarder. Whether they read
their mail here or elsewhere, they're still using Grex's bandwidth.
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