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December 1995 Board Candidate Survey (long: 466 lines) Mark Unseen   Dec 1 13:53 UTC 1995

This is an 18-question survey e-mailed to the board candidates on
Wednesday, November 22, 1995, around 8AM.  Responses were collated
for easy reading, and are presented below.  Typos may be mine or the
candidates'.  Answers had different space limits for each question;
to see the limits, and survey instructions not listed here, see the
file /u/ajax/survey_form.  The survey is privately, independently run,
with no official sanction.
 
Answers are listed by login id of the candidates:
  aruba:   Mark Congery
  mta:     Misti Anslin
  rcurl:   Rane Curl
  robh:    Rob Henderson
  scott:   Scott Helmke
  sidhe:   Christopher Cloyd
 
Candidates: Please try to answer with your personal opinions, even
though you might vote otherwise on an issue if your constituents
expressed different opinions.
 
Personal Stuff
--------------
 
1. Please say a bit about yourself (some ideas: interests, career,
   education, age, family, politics, or whatever you want to share).
 
aruba: I have a B.A. in Math from Williams College, and an M.A. in Math from
       The U. of Michigan.  Nowadays I work as a Windows C++ programmer at
       Supply Tech, in Ann Arbor (where I also live).  I'm 28, and I've been
       a Grexer since March of '94.
 
mta:   I'm a technical writer, specializing in software documentation. That
       makes me a non-techie with some understanding of technical issues.
       I've been associated with GREX since its very early days and have
       devoted myself to publicizing GREX and to paper documentation.  I
       recently volunteered to be one of the editors for the GREX newsletter.
      
rcurl: I'm a prof of chem engineering at UM, since 1964. Am 66 years old and
       live with my wife and daughter in Ann Arbor. I'm a cavers, sailor,
       skier, hiker - in season - and a radio amateur, clock collector, wood
       gadgeteer, and reader. I am of "liberal" persuasion and a freethinker.
       I have served on boards or as an officer of some dozen organizations.
 
robh:  I just turned 27.  I have a bachelor's degree in Computer Science from
       way way back in 1990, and the only useful thing I've done with it is
       work as a staffer for Grex.  That may change very soon.  My family
       and politics are beyond comprehension.  (I'm not married, despite what
       everyone on Grex seems to think.)
 
scott: Well, I'm a computer programmer, living in Ann Arbor, MI.  I joined
       about a year ago, and use Grex daily.  My interests include music,
       bicycling, food, etc.
 
sidhe: I am an editor/freelance writer in the Role-Playing Game industry, as
       well as working at a local Kinko's for "bread and butter" between
       jobs. My interests are wide-ranging, including technology, the study
       of history and legend for clues into how Magick, if real, would
 
2. How would you describe your personality?
 
aruba: I am introverted. I am not an idealogue. I listen more than I talk.
 
mta:   I'm generally soft-spoken and a peacemaker and consensus seeker.
 
rcurl: Shy, but have mostly outgrown it. I'm assertive on things I know about.
 
robh:  Quiet, introspective, but tenacious when solving problems.
 
scott: I'm the type that likes to do a professional job, quietly.
 
sidhe: Inquisitive, challenging, humorous, and occasionally ego-tainted.
 
3. What Grex activities do you enjoy the most (e.g. specific conferences,
   party, write sessions, e-mail, walks, etc.)?
 
aruba: I enjoy Grexwalks, Agora, Iq, Jellyware, and I spend a lot of time
       with e-mail.  I especially like puzzle items, math items, and items
       with substantive, thoughtful debate.
 
mta:   I enjoy the conferences and the pot-luck and walks.  My favorite
       conferences are co-op, women's, kid's, and agora.
 
rcurl: I read a slew of conferences - first getting "hooked" by the Mystery
       Quote. Besides agora, I'm active in books, consumer, hardware, info,
       coop, hardware..and wherever I have an opinion. I seldom use party.
 
robh:  The World Wide Web, PicoSpan (SciFi, Synthesis, and Coop mainly),
       party, e-mail, providing help for confused users, and the
       occasional real-life event.
 
scott: I go on the Saturday walks almost always, and participate in pot-lucks
       and other Grex events.  On-line, I do a lot of conferencing and some
       e-mail, and occasionally show up in party.
 
sidhe: Party is my favorite activity, and I am active in coop. I enjoy the
       diversion of Fuz Court, and every season I attempt agora, even if I
       typically leave from dismay at the bloat. I do enjoy mail.
 
Board Stuff
-----------
 
4. Would you accept a nomination to serve as Secretary, Treasurer,
   and/or President?  (Srw, danr, or popcorn can give info on workload).
 
aruba: I would accept a nom. to be Treasurer, but I don't think I write fast
       enough for Secretary. IMO President should be a veteran board member.
 
mta:   Yes.
 
rcurl: I've been chair, secretary and treasurer in other groups, but may not
       have time for more responsibility. My talent is mostly organizational.
 
robh:  Yes for President or Secretary, no for Treasurer.  I don't want
       to inflict my bookkeeping skills on Grex.
 
scott: I would, but I don't have much (if any) board-type experience.
 
sidhe: Given that I have no proper concept of the demands of these positions,
       I would seek the wisdom of the incumbents before answering that.
 
5. Do you have any particular feelings concerning Robert's Rules of
   Orders (RRO) as they might be applied to Grex's board meetings?
   (Coop item 116, from responses 52 onward, approximately)
 
aruba: I don't think we need them.
 
mta:   RRO may be a good fall back position but I think strict adherence
       is unnecessary and restrictive in a cohesive, cooperative group.
 
rcurl: Grex should adopt RRO as our "parliamentary authority". They provide
       a fair, orderly, and efficient means to order the conduct of business.
 
robh:  In general I consider them useful, though I have seen them abused by
       folks who knew the rules better than others.
 
scott: RRO might be useful, but right now I believe that they are not
       necessary.  The meetings I have attended did not need RRO.
 
sidhe: I think RRO are a fine tool, given need. However, if there is no need
       for such restrictiveness, then I prefer open discussion.
 
6. Would you prefer board meetings in a private room with no food for
   sale nearby, or in a restaurant?  (*Generally* speaking.)
 
aruba: Based on the board meetings I've attended, the most important thing to
       me is to be in a place that is *quiet*.  So I prefer a priivate room.
 
mta:   I can go either way with a mild preference for the private room
       because I'm hard of hearing and restaurants tend to be noisy.
 
rcurl: I prefer board meetings in a private room, such as the recent ones
       at ITI. I don't mind people bringing food, if they chew quietly :).
 
robh:  I'd prefer a private room, because they're generally quieter,
       and people can always (well, usually) bring food with them.
 
scott: A private setting is best, mainly because a quiet room is much better
       for hearing everybody talk.
 
sidhe: Given that I'll be coming from a ways off, I'd appreciate the chance
       to eat, as my work hours would give me no time at home for that.
 
7. If you find yourself too busy to be involved much with Grex in a year,
   but have a year left on the board, would you resign or continue serving?
 
aruba: I would resign or change my priorities.
 
mta:   If I'm on the board, GREX becomes a major priority, so it isn't likely.
       But if [I can't] give GREX the time it deserves, I will step aside.
 
rcurl: The responsibility of a board member is to be knowledgeable about the
       issues, and attend and participate in all board meeting. I'd resign.
 
robh:  If I were too busy to serve to the best of my abilities, I
       would resign.  I don't want to be dead weight.
 
scott: Depends on how much I have been doing already.
 
sidhe: I would graciously and apologetically resign.. no need to tie up a
       useful Board seat with deadweight!
 
General stuff
-------------
 
8. What do you see as some of Grex's best attributes and major strengths?
 
aruba: Its freedom from censorship.  Its relative lack of rules.  Its lack
       of grandiosity. I like the fact that Grex is a home-grown, grass-roots
       system, not a massive behemoth.  We have a lot of genuinely kind
       people, as well as a lot of thoughtful and competent people.  That's a
       good combination.
 
mta:   I think GREXs greatest strengths are its openness and its public
       ownership.  The open system concept means that we keep cycling new
       people and new ideas in.  Public ownership keeps us strong because
       each of us realizes that to some extent GREXs problems are our own,
       and we cant wait for someone else to solve them.
 
rcurl: Grex has many very talented, dedicated and hard working members and
       supporters. It has a (usually!) no-nonsense way of conducting its
       activities, and has amazingly few antagonisms. The staff are very
       professional, and the users are (or learn to be) moderately polite
       and cooperative. It's a pleasant and knowledgable community.
 
robh:  We have people on our system who are talented beyond words, and
       donate their time and effort (and money) to keeping this system
       running, and making it better.  They are our greatest strength.
       I also consider our open-registration policy a strength.
 
scott: Grex's best attribute is the community that has formed.  There does
       tend to be some churn in the user base, but most people see Grex as
       a place to "know" people who are also regular users.  The other best
       thing is (biased comment!) the staff.  Some of the people on staff
       are top-notch pros, working on Grex only because they *want* to.
 
sidhe: "If you seek a pleasant penninsula, look around you".. It's the People
       who make this "place" what it is. Honestly, Grex is not the most
       radical/alternative net-stop anymore, and it's certainly not the most
       advanced.. but none of that matters, because of the wonderful variety
       of people you have here.
 
9. What do you see as some of Grex's weaknesses?
 
aruba: It's slow.  The signal to noise ratio in Agora sometimes dips pretty
       low (but always comes back up again).  Some abuses of the system cause
       Staff a lot of grief, but (speaking as someone who hasn't been stuck
       dealing with them), I think that they are a price worth paying for
       having an open system.
 
mta:   Actually our weaknesses are the same as our strengths.  The very
       openness that brings exciting new people and ideas our way also
       makes it hard to  protect ourselves from the trolls who would crash
       our system just because it's here.
 
rcurl: I think the greatest weakness is a difficulty in implementing many
       good ideas that are put forward by members and users. This is partly
       due to the limited resources available, partly due to the essentially.
       volunteer nature of Grex, and partly due to not sufficiently
       prioritizing and planning.
 
robh:  The hardware, of course!  And the lack of paying members, which
       is probably a result of our poor hardware.  I'd like to see us
       get more fundraisers going - and follow through on the ones we
       have discussed already - to improve the hardware and get the
       ball rolling.
 
scott: Not a lot of money to spend on new equipment.  I hope that the Sun-4
       can help that by encouraging more people to join as members.
 
sidhe: It would seem, though, that there is an inflexibility, a general
       unwillingness to experiment, to try the new things that some of
       these wonderful people propose. Whether or not this perception will
       change as I become familiar with grex's administration has yet to
       be seen.
 
10. How do your personal feelings on Grex's spending priorities differ
    from the current spending priorities described in coop item 104?
 
aruba: I want to see how fast the Sun 4 is and then re-assess the viability
       of Usenet.  With Grex as it is today, I think reading Usenet would be
       too slow to be useful.  Otherwise I agree completely with item 104.
 
mta:   I think we're more or less on the right track.
 
rcurl: I support the proposed spending priorities, in the main. They are
       devoted to the hardware and connections we need to imnprove functions.
       I would like, eventually, to devote more to programs and activities.
 
robh:  I would consider the extra memory (item 6) more important than the
       additional phone lines (item 5), other than that I agree with these
       priorities.
 
scott: No significant difference.
 
sidhe: In general, I think the current list of priorities is fine.. I would
       prefer that net connectivity upgrades were a little higher on the
       list..
 
11. Do you have any ideas to suggest for discussion to improve Grex's
    finances?  (Fundraisers, changes in services, dues, policies).
 
aruba: I think we'll get more members if we speed the system up.  STeve said
       at the November board meeting that many more people in Ann Arbor have
       heard of M-Net than have heard of Grex; I think we should work on that.
 
mta:   One possibility is concerted effort toward bringing in more
       local users (historically our strongest source of new members).
 
rcurl: There are some 8000 "users". If more would become members, we would
       not be short of funds. Although a donation is not required, it should
       be more aggressively solicited (in a friendly fashion).
 
robh:  I'd like to focus on fundraisers, and possibly some inexpensive
       advertising in the Washtenaw County area.
 
scott: Not a lot of ideas.  I'd like to see how the faster hardware affects
       income.
 
sidhe: I suggest we get active in finding out what happened to wolfmage,
       and his proposed show! I thought that sounded good, and I would like
       to see more grex publicity in print.
 
Coop Issues
-----------
 
12. Do you think accounts should be disabled as a last resort for
    disruptive users (after reasoning fails)?  (Coop items 57-58)
 
aruba: I think Staff acted apropriately in the avi/ryan1/blob matter.
 
mta:   No.  It's impossible to keep them from creating a new account within
       10 minutes of the disabling of their original accounts. At least if we
       let them keep the original we know who to watch.
 
rcurl: There needs to be moderately clear guidelines for "acceptable
       behavior", and a procedure for a fair review of unacceptable behavior.
       Reasoning should not fail, but if it does totally, ZAP 'em! B=P
 
robh:  If all other attempts fail, yes, accounts should be disabled.
       Hopefully this won't happen often.
 
scott: I'm not sure.  In some cases it may help, in others it may hurt.
 
sidhe: I dislike the whole idea entirely. We shouldn't be in a position of
       account-disrupting, especially not without full board consideration.
 
13. Would you favor bylaw modification (clarification?) to allow non-members
    to nominate board candidates?  (Coop items 2 (bylaws), 112 & 116)
 
aruba: I really don't think it's a big deal.  If a non-member wants somebody
       nominated, they have but to ask and any number of members will do it.
 
mta:   If it's necessary to be a member to nominate candidates, yes, I would.
 
rcurl: No. By both law and common sense, it is the members that must have
       the authority and responsibility to conduct the business of Grex.
 
robh:  I think non-members should be allowed to nominate, and that
       the by-laws should explicitly state this.
 
scott: No.  Membership isn't *that* expensive.
 
sidhe: Most certainly. Again, this is where I believe we need to open our
       ears to the people who contribute _themselves_ to grex, if not money.
 
14. How would you suggest handling Grex's recent landlord problems?
    (Coop item 39)
 
aruba: I think we *have* to sit down with Beth and find out what's really
       bugging her. I'm not sure how to make that happen; maybe a letter is
       the best way. We need more info before we decide to move or not.
 
mta:   I think it's probably worth seeking the services of a legal mediator.
      We need to find out what the real problems are and we won't until we can
      sit down with Beth.  That doesn't look likely unless we press the issue.
 
rcurl: The problems are not so different from those tenants have with many
       landlords. Friendly appeal and discussion is the first approach, but
       maintenance of the rights, by law if necessary, is the last.
 
robh:  We need to talk to a lawyer about this.  We've invested a lot of
       time and money (and blood, sweat, and tears) in our current
       location, and I don't want to just pack up and run.
 
scott: This is a tough one, since I have never met them.  I think the best we
       can do right now (11/22/95) is try to talk to Beth and otherwise just
       see what develops.  I am for legal action, if things don't improve.
 
sidhe: I would avoid lawsuit, and also damage to the equipment, and find
       ourselves a better home base.
 
15. What do you think about limiting the number of incoming Internet
    connections to make Grex faster?  (Coop item 22, responses 156-259.)
 
aruba: I think Grex is often so slow as to be unusable. Unless the Sun 4 com-
       pletely fixes that, I think limiting connections is reasonable.
 
mta:   I think it's a good idea.  Unfortunate that we need to, but if GREX
       is stressed to its limits it does no one any good.
 
rcurl: I think it is reasonable and fair to impose more limiting than we do
       now. It is not the end of the world to try again later.
 
robh:  I don't like it.  We did this once before, and users were lucky
       to get on once every two or three days.  I don't think it's needed.
 
scott: I don't think we are going to solve any real problems that way, but
       it might be useful to try it once.
 
sidhe: I think it ignores our strength, to make our hardware deficiency look
       only slightly better. We should not lock people out for trivial gains.
 
16. Do you have leanings on whether or how to change Agora from being
    the automatic default conference for new users?  (Coop item 125)
 
aruba: I'm on the fence with this one. I do believe that Agora as it is now
       is not the best introduction to Grex. Particularly Item 1 - a lot of
       newbies take hours to read all the way to the bottom and then think
       Grex is all fluff. Not sure an Intro conference would be best, though.
 
mta:   If a program existed to match interests from the .plan with
       conferences, it would be nice select a first conference of
       interest to each user.  The idea of a new default conference
       just for newusers....well, the idea leaves me cold.
 
rcurl: Yes, and I've posted them in coop. I support an "intro" cf into which
       all newusers are placed, substituting mostly for newuser, where they
       learn about the system, Grex, and conferencing, simultaneously. We
       talk about "community", but it is too easy to avoid it completely.
 
robh:  I definitely have leanings on this one.  >8)  I don't think the
       Agora conference is the ideal place for new users to learn about
       using PicoSpan, and I'd like to try out a new conference to
       help users better understand the program and how to use it.
 
scott: Agora is fine as a newuser conf., except that I'd like to see the FW
       freeze the first item at just a few responses so that newusers don't
       have to hit that monster first item.  I wouldn't want the board to
       demand that, however.  Just my own preference.
 
sidhe: The way it currently is is well out-of-hand. I would like to see a
       script that asks people their interests, when they first run PicoSpan.
       It then would attempt to match a good starting conference for them.
       If this is infeasible, then an "Intro" conference is all right.
 
Wrap-up
-------
 
17. Any suggestions for producing a better survey in the future?
 
aruba: I think this was a fine survey.  One line isn't much space to describe
       a personality in, though!  But I'm really glad you've done this, Rob.
 
mta:   Seems good to me.
 
rcurl: Include a question about talents or knowledge that a member would
       bring to the board, in business, finance, technologies, organizational
       skills, publishing, fund raising, etc.
 
robh:  I like this one a lot better than last year's.  And thanks for
       providing the templates this time!
 
scott: Nope, this one is fine.  Lots of good questions.  Thanks Rob!
 
sidhe: Well, the box-format is rather annoying.. I'll have to get back to you
       with more concrete solutions to this problem.
 
18. Lacking adequate investigative resources, we have to rely on your word:
    Have you ever not paid proper social security for a nanny you employed?
    (Feel free to lie on this one; it's a political tradition.)
 
aruba: No, I fear the IRS too much for that!
 
mta:   Nope.  Couldn't afford a nanny (legal or otherwise) when my tots
       were little.
 
rcurl: I have never employed a nanny (don't ask about cleaning persons).
 
robh:  Well, there was this one nanny I hired, I tried to pay her for
       her services but she just opened her umbrella and floated away.
       Since I never did pay her, I never paid her SS taxes either.
 
scott: I don't have any kids, and my cat isn't talking.
 
sidhe: Well, seeing as the Social Security system seems to be a risky, if
       mandatory, investment, I have never paid it for any of my nannies.
85 responses total.
remmers
response 1 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 14:23 UTC 1995

Nice survey--thanks for doing this, Rob. I'll put a pointer to this
item on the vote program's informational screen.
rlawson
response 2 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 14:34 UTC 1995

This was a great idea to post this. Now do we get to have an "Ask the
Candidates" session?
remmers
response 3 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 14:37 UTC 1995

I'd think this item could be used for that.
lilmo
response 4 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 18:10 UTC 1995

Quick reminder:  6 candidates for 4 seats, right?
ajax
response 5 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 18:25 UTC 1995

Yes, four seats.  Feel free to ask questions here, and candidates can 
expand on anything the space limits of the survey kept them from saying.
adbarr
response 6 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 18:38 UTC 1995

Excellent work. The candidates' responses to the RRO question were just a
little surprising, and encouraging. I do think you should inquire about those
Swedish Au Pairs we have all heard about at the "staff meetings"! Sure! ;-)
rlawson
response 7 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 21:47 UTC 1995

I have a few questions for the candidates but I'll start off slow... [to all
the candidates] would you be willing to go maybe 2-3 days offline from Grex
if limits on number of connections were implimented and you could not get a
line in? Isn't Grexing slowly better as opposed to not Grexing at all?
robh
response 8 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:44 UTC 1995

I though I'd explained it in my responses up their, but I'll
re-iterate:

I seem to be one of the few people here who remembers when
we cut back to from 32 to 24 telnet ports (half of what we have now)
to speed up performance on Grex.  Grex did get noticeably
faster, yes.  And most users could only get on every 2 or 3
days.  I got far more complaints via e-mail about "Why the hell
can't I log on any more???" than I ever have about Grex being
slow.  We finally added more ports, and everyone was happy.

So my reasoning can be summed up:  We tried it, it sucked, I
see no reason to try it again.
gregc
response 9 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 23:38 UTC 1995

Your question depends on how you define "Grexing". If you define it as
"run party", then a slow machine is tolerable. If you define it as
"use mail, picospan, and (eventually)usenet", then a slow machine could
be useless.

mta
response 10 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 07:35 UTC 1995

Since I fall into Greg's latter category, yes, I would prefer to get on
less often and be able to get in and out.  To answer Rob's objections,
perhaps we cut back too far.  No one says we have to try half our
current connections.  There may be a happy(er?) medium out there where
things are fast enough to use for conferencing but enough people can
get through in day to keep the complaints to a minimum.
rcurl
response 11 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 07:45 UTC 1995

This is a rather complex question. If you cut back on ports, the
system speeds up for those on, but more people will find the
system busy, and some of them will go away, reducing the pressure
for ports, which will become available again......but my opinion.
It is that I would like to leave this to staff, who have a very good
sense of what they consider a "well operating system". They live and
breath "well operating systems" (within the capabilities of the
hardware and software). 
mdw
response 12 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 08:26 UTC 1995

Actually, a slow machine will do fine for picospan, and even mail.
Usenet news is the kicker.  That's 240 megabytes *A DAY* - I'm not even
entirely sure we could afford a data link for that.
rlawson
response 13 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 14:09 UTC 1995

Re #9: For me, Grexing consists of (in order of most frequented) PicoSpan,
party, and e-mail. When lag gets bad, it maybe takes me 30 (if that much)
longer than usual to read 11 conferences (Co-op included).
popcorn
response 14 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 18:49 UTC 1995

Rob, fantastic survey!  Thanks!  And thanks to all the candidates for the
well-thought-out responses.  I had already voted when I found this survey,
and I found it reinforced my voting decisions.
headdoc
response 15 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 19:14 UTC 1995

Rob, this procedure really helped me decide on the candidates of my choice.
Add my thanks for the time and effort.  It is greatly appreciated.
dpc
response 16 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 02:41 UTC 1995

Terrific, Rob!  It helped me make up my mind.
aruba
response 17 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 05:47 UTC 1995

I agree with Misti in #10.  I would rather get on less often, but find the
system fast when I'm on.  I think  cutting back on ports is a reasonable
thing to do.  Rob's objection is quite reasonable, too, of course.  :)
kerouac
response 18 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 19:17 UTC 1995

 Question for candidates:  Would you be opposed to having one board meeting,
just one, per year on-line just to see how well it works and whether 
it might encourage better attendance and participation from grex users
both local and non-local?
robh
response 19 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 03:44 UTC 1995

I'd be opposed to make it a yearly event right off the bat,
but I'd like to see us try it once.
rcurl
response 20 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 08:16 UTC 1995

I'd like to give it a try, but more formal rules than the board currently
uses would have to be adopted. For example, how is a board member
"recognized" to speak, and how do you prevent others from interrupting
(speaking at the same time)?
kerouac
response 21 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 00:56 UTC 1995

  Easy...give the board chairman the power to drop people from the channel
if they speak out of turn once too often, and rely on common courtesy.
robh
response 22 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 02:31 UTC 1995

Not as easy as it sounds, kerouac.  There's no command in
party to knock someone off the channel, as far as I know.
We'd have to have someone use their root account to kill
the user's party process.
kerouac
response 23 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 02:34 UTC 1995

  Thats why its convienient that popcorn has root access, she could
drop anyone she wants.   Maybe it should be a peerk of being board
er...perk...of being board chairman that you get a root account when
you hold that position.
popcorn
response 24 of 85: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 04:02 UTC 1995

M-Net just had that argument recently.
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