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Agenda for the 10/25/95 Grex Board of Directors Meeting Mark Unseen   Oct 20 04:14 UTC 1995

Here's the tentative agenda for the 10/25/95 Grex Board of Directors Meeting.
Please yell if there are items on the list you want added/changed/deleted.
I think I've missed an item or two that have been suggested recently --
something about the newsletter maybe?

a. Initial Gavel Banging - popcorn                             < 1 minute
b. Treasurer's Report - danr                                    5 minutes
c. 501(c)3 Committee Report - rcurl                             5 minutes
d. Computer Rehabilitation Committee Report - rcurl             5 minutes
e. Publicity Committee Report - misti                           5 minutes
f. Technical Committee Report - STeve                          20 minutes
g. Verification Policy - remmers                               20 minutes
h. Newsletter Report - rcurl                                    5 minutes
i. Grex Manual - danr                                           5 minutes
j. JCC Sale - ?                                                 5 minutes
k. New Business - all                                           Who Knows?
l. Final Gavel Banging - popcorn                               < 1 minute


The board meeting will be on Wednesday October 25 at 7pm, probably at
ITI, but that's not yet confirmed.  The public is welcome.
47 responses total.
lilmo
response 1 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 04:44 UTC 1995

1.  I believe mta will be available during the Newsletter Report for
questions, as the editors' representative, since the rest of us are beyond
reasonable commuting distance.  :-)

2.  Isn't remmers "in charge" of the JCC stuff?
rcurl
response 2 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 05:50 UTC 1995

I will not be able to attend this meeting (I'll be at a symposium in
Indiana). I do not have anything new and startling to report with
respect to items c. and d., and will defer to the editors (i.e., mta)
to report on the newsletter. My one request is that the board a) decides
how many paper copies of the first newsletter to have printed above
the number requested to be mailed to them by members, and b) that a budget
adequate to the needs of the newsletter be adopted.
scg
response 3 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 07:05 UTC 1995

Remmers has been handling table rental, but ajax ran the last JCC sale for
Grex.
remmers
response 4 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 12:56 UTC 1995

What is there still do on verification policy (g)? We adopted
one last time. Get a volunteer, perhaps?
popcorn
response 5 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 15:02 UTC 1995

Ooops...  I'll take that one out of the agenda.  It's been there for so
long that it's started to look like a regular feature.  :)


I sent mail to Bob Tait asking if he could find us a space at ITI for
the meeting.  He sent mail back that he's reserved a space for us.
So the meeting will be at ITI.
janc
response 6 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 15:47 UTC 1995

(janc studies the numbering of the agenda items and scratches his head.  What
 is he missing?)
wisdom
response 7 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 19:03 UTC 1995

        Hey- talk over whatever the hell you people want to do about
logins and dead people! Not like it hasn't been an active topic!
rcurl
response 8 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 19:35 UTC 1995

Yes, Jan, the *numbering* is very unusual. 
adbarr
response 9 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 04:16 UTC 1995

It is just algebra.
popcorn
response 10 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 05:01 UTC 1995

Hey, there's an idea for next month's agenda numbering scheme:
x, x+1, x+2, and so on.
srw
response 11 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 05:59 UTC 1995

All I ask is for each agenda item to have a unique identifier. THese are fine.
davel
response 12 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 12:14 UTC 1995

Let's see.  If I go get my ASCII chart maybe I can figure out the
pattern ...
selena
response 13 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 22 12:19 UTC 1995

        Hmm.. she was angry-voiced, but I think Debra has a point.. when
are you guys going to discuss what to do about login-retiring?
steve
response 14 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 22 15:56 UTC 1995

   Why should it be done at a board meeting?

   I would think that a board meeting would be the last place most
of the people who are in favor of retiring ID's would want to talk
about it.

   Several of the board members have stated that this is silly.
*I* think its silly, but am willing to do this since there are
people who are genuinely upset by this.  But by forcing it upon
the board, they might make a unpopular decision.

   The Grex that works best is usually the Grex that works in a
consensus mode.  Talking about it in coop seems a much better
way to come to a final decision to me, rather than foisting it
off on the board.
davel
response 15 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 10:48 UTC 1995

It is *so* on the agenda.  Item k.  If anyone who thinks it must be
discussed shows up & asks, when new business is being discussed, it
will be discussed, I'm sure.  If you notify Valerie at the beginning of
the meeting (before the gavel-banging) it might help make it smoother,
but it's not necessary.  The Grex board is *definitely* not guilty of
only letting directors speak up, or other similar stupidities.

On another subject: is ITI now confirmed as location, or another location
chosen, or anything?
popcorn
response 16 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 15:11 UTC 1995

I've just now received confirmation of ITI as our location.
Note that this time we'll be meeting in the "Board Room" (wherever
that is) and not the cafeteria.
tsty
response 17 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:12 UTC 1995

might be able to amke this one .... phew!
sidhe
response 18 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:20 UTC 1995

        Well, dave, with that attitude, why ask for adjustment suggestions
for the agenda?
lilmo
response 19 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:56 UTC 1995

Wasn't Computer Rehabilitation handed off from rcurl to someone else?
ajax
response 20 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 21:48 UTC 1995

Nope, TS stopped fixing Rehab hardware, and I started helping.
popcorn
response 21 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 15:36 UTC 1995

After last night's board meeting, I've come to the conclusion that I
have *got* to do better at stopping long tangents into discussions of
hardware.  When we have a long agenda, it's easy to tell people to shut up
so we can get through all the topics.  When we have a short agenda, like
at last night's meeting, it's harder to do, but still worth doing.
remmers
response 22 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 17:15 UTC 1995

Well, that's what happens when you get a board and staff full
of techie nerd types. :) Actually, I think that the people who
indulge in the long technical tangents need to learn to do a
better job of stopping themselves.

While we're on the subject of board meeting conduct, I have some
concerns about how we've been handling the "New Business" item.
At last night's meeting, no less than four items were introduced
as new business, accompanied by a request for immediate action.
Three of them *were* acted on, the fourth tabled when I objected
to the procedure.
  The purpose of "new business" ought to be to bring new matters
to the board's attention, but *NOT* to settle the matters at the
very same meeting. That practice undercuts the purpose of having
published agendas and public meetings, as it means that issues
can be brought up and decided without any advance notice either
to board members or to interested members of the public who might
want to attend if they know particular issues will come up.
  In the case of last night's meeting, three of the four items
were minor requests from the technical committee for authoriza-
tion to purchase equipment replacements or incremental upgrades.
I actually thought they were all reasonable requests and that
it was reasonable to act on them at the same meeting, but they
aren't really new business. Except for the big ticket items,
equipment replacement and purchases of things that helps the
tech. staff get its work done are *continuing* business.
Procedurally, I think those requests would be better made as
part of the Technical Committee Report, a standing agenda item.
steve
response 23 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 21:33 UTC 1995

   But those requests were new, John.  I can't agree about the
technical issues.  The issue about id's of deceased users I can
go along with.  We can talk another 600K worth on that one in coop.

  But the request for money for a new ROM for the Hayes and things
like that, which are beyond the normal staff $50/mo small item
budget, but that are needed by staff shouldn't have to go through
a month long wait I think.  Obviously I'm not trying to say that
we should try in one meeting to decide to purchase a Sun-4/400 CPU
and memory, but there are things, medium level things, that I 
think *should* be acted upon quickly.

   Also, if you go back and look at minutes of the previous board
meetings Johh, you'll note that I talked about wanting to get another
modem at least a month ago, becuase of the chance of another
Supra dying.  Steve Weiss raised the point that he'd rather not
see us spend money at that time for a modem since we didn't know the
state of the treasurey at that time.  Now, we have a potentially
dead modem with no replacement (I'll know tomorrow as I work on it
what its status actually is).

   Now, I will agree that when possible it is a good thing to put
such requests on the agenda before hand.  I didn't do that, partly
because of forgetfulness, and partly becuase I'd forgotten about
things (like the ROM issue--it came to me at the meeting so I 
brought it up).  On the issue of getting a dedicated line installed
at IC-Net John, since I hadn't put that in the agenda, would you
have rathered that I not brought it up and waited a month?  Are we
to start valuing the form of the business meetings over function?

   I think there is room for the board to be able to act on smallish
things quickly.  Otherwise, everything will have to wait a month
to do, and that isn't good.  That starts to resemble some other systems
I've used.

   Note that I'm not saying that the board should be able to do anything
it wants instantly.  It's just that there is room for quick action on
smaller things, like the purchase of a ROM, etc.
srw
response 24 of 47: Mark Unseen   Oct 27 07:03 UTC 1995

Umm. It seems to me that John explicitly said that he *wouldn't* mind
for staff technical things, because he doesn't think of them as new
business in the first place.
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