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popcorn
Conference Proposals Mark Unseen   Sep 21 01:31 UTC 1994

If you want to create a new conference, just ask and it will be
created.  All you need to do is ask.  No complicated proposals or
voting is required.

Before you ask, you should type "help conf" to see the list of
available conferences.  Check the list to be sure your conference
doesn't already exist.

Within a few days the "cfadm" (that's a cryptic abbreviation for
conference administrators -- John Remmers and me) will create the
conference.

John Remmers suggested having a single item for conference proposals,
rather than scattering the proposals around throughout the co-op
conference.  Sounds OK to me!  So this item is The Place to put your
conference proposal.  Though, if you think your conference proposal is
going to involve a lot of discussion, feel free to enter it in a
separate item.
256 responses total.
remmers
response 1 of 256: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 12:31 UTC 1994

(The reason for having a discussion period before creating the
conference is to allow other users to react to the proposal.
For example, there might already be a conference that duplicates
the proposal and that the proposer wasn't aware of, etc.)
kentn
response 2 of 256: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 14:52 UTC 1994

Plus you'll get a few implementation ideas...like items people would
like to see.  You can use people's reactions to refine your conference
idea.
remmers
response 3 of 256: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 16:45 UTC 1994

Exactly.
anne
response 4 of 256: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 17:40 UTC 1994

Sometimes it's really favorable.... :)

orinoco
response 5 of 256: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 14:50 UTC 1994

I hereby suggest something that was suggested in oldcoop, and deserves to be
resuggested <sp?>
The smileys .cf, for fun and legal things to do with your computer.
As JKrauss proposed this one, he will co-fw until he admits to being
MY pseudo, MINE! MINE!
(see pseudos, item 21 for clarification on that one)
popcorn
response 6 of 256: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 22:34 UTC 1994

Ok, it exists.  Happy smiling!
sidhe
response 7 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 16:09 UTC 1994

How about a paradoxial conf? You know, one which discusses various ironies
and other things that, while they fail to make sense, interfere or affect
our daily lives?
tsty
response 8 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 27 03:50 UTC 1994

Like Zeno's paradoxes?
sidhe
response 9 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 27 17:36 UTC 1994

Those, too, although i envision the conf as a place that would help us
recognise, complain about, or laugh at, the ridiculousness that living in this
day and age can be. I would even be willing to fairwitness, if somone would be
so kind as to mail me the guidelines for doing so...
popcorn
response 10 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 29 21:41 UTC 1994

There aren't any official guidelines for how to be a fair witness.
Grex tradition has sort of a preference for a lassez-faire type of fair
witnessing, but we've also had the occasional really active fair
witness who did a great job.  Mostly, as fw, your job is to take an
interest in the conference, stir up conversation if it dies, and to set
the login and logout screens for the conference.  There's an item in
the info conference that lists the fair witness commands.  I think it's
item 26 (or 23 or 29).

Shall I go ahead and set up the conference?
remmers
response 11 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 16:13 UTC 1994

Christopher might want to take a look at the "reality" conference,
if he hasn't already, and see if he thinks that would be a suitable
forum for the kind of things he wants to discuss.  If not, then I
have no objection to the conference.
tsty
response 12 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 16:09 UTC 1994

Sure, reality and paradox are synonyms aren't they?
sidhe
response 13 of 256: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 16:38 UTC 1994

only in a manner of speaking. a paradox is something which should be imposs-
ible, but isn't, despite our fine sensibilites. an irony is something that is
fitting to the circumstances, yet its' occurrance is to much for mere happen-
stance to account for. with as many f these anomalies occurring to us everyday,
shouldn't ther be a forum devoted to them? that, my respondants, is my
question. oh, and thank you for responding; i was beginning to wonder if the
initial lack of response to my proposal was a foreshadowing of how well
attended the conf would be.
popcorn
response 14 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 14:28 UTC 1994

Ok, the paradox conference now exists.
tsty
response 15 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 17:31 UTC 1994

<< wow, that's reality!>>
carson
response 16 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 07:44 UTC 1994

BTW, sidhe, there's an interesting item about paradoxes in
the reality conference that you might want to link. I forget
which item it is, but it has "paradox" in the item header.
roz
response 17 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 18:06 UTC 1994

I'd like to suggest a read-only FAQ conference where all the common pieces
of advice and how-tos for new users are gathered in one place.  My guess is
that it would be more accessible (at least _perceived_ are more accessible)
than the info conference where instructions are sometimes aimed over the
head of the inexperienced user.

I'm not capable of setting this up; instead, I'm one of the ones who's
regularly asking relatively elementary questions.  Do people think this
would be helpful, or would it unnecessarily duplicate resources already
here?
sidhe
response 18 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 21:48 UTC 1994

I'd say it would be a good idea, so long as you guys up top are sure it will
decrease your workload. An alternate idea, if you don't like roz's suggestion:
overhaul info conf so that it has [at least] a "what's unix?" section, giving
the real basics that i'm not certain that even i have!
steve
response 19 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 23:03 UTC 1994

   That is an excellent idea, Roz.
popcorn
response 20 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 01:46 UTC 1994

Hm....  That's kind of what I was doing with the newinfo conference.
Maybe I should rename it the FAQ conference and find people to put together
the remaining items that it needs?
You can type "join newinfo" to get to it.  I've only entered about half the
topics I intended to put in it, and then I lost momentum to finish the job.

What do you think?  Would this be a viable option?
roz
response 21 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 12:08 UTC 1994

I just took a quick look at newinfo -- you've made a great start, Valerie.
My only question is, what about folks whose knowledge of how to do things
is even more primitive than you've assumed?  I looked at the directions
for forwarding mail, and found: "create a file . . . "   It might be helpful
to have a second paragraph that starts "The way you create a file is . . ."
You'd be surprised at how little some of us know <g>. Then again, maybe not.
steve
response 22 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 14:13 UTC 1994

  (sigh)  Grex is geting big enough that its getting hard to see
all the pieces at once.  I need to look at the newinfo conference,
obviously.
kentn
response 23 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 14:17 UTC 1994

We need a cf that has one item with text that says "Buy this beginner's
Unix book: ..."
remmers
response 24 of 256: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 15:04 UTC 1994

That's a good point.  I'm not trying to discourage having lots of
information on line about how to do stuff, but many of the things
one does on grex are done the same way on any Unix system, and there
are a number of beginning Unix books out there that assume little or
no previous computer knowledge.
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